Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-17 Thread Yoav Nir
On May 16, 2013, at 11:55 PM, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: I think Dave's idea is worth looking at, but have one comment: On 05/16/2013 09:46 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: There is a problem, though, that this will increase the load on ADs. There is that. But don't forget

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-17 Thread Yoav Nir
On May 17, 2013, at 12:58 AM, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: On 05/16/2013 04:46 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: The time for asking whether the group has considered making this field fixed length instead of variable, or whether RFC 2119 language is used in an appropriate way, or

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-17 Thread Yoav Nir
On May 17, 2013, at 1:38 AM, Fred Baker (fred) f...@cisco.com wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: There is a problem, though, that this will increase the load on ADs. Other concerns raised during IETF LC may lead to revised I-Ds, which the ADs will

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 05/17/2013 10:18 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 11:55 PM, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: I think Dave's idea is worth looking at, but have one comment: On 05/16/2013 09:46 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: There is a problem, though, that this will increase the load

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-rfc2050bis-01.txt (The Internet Numbers Registry System) to Informational RFC

2013-05-17 Thread John Curran
On May 15, 2013, at 7:50 PM, David Farmer far...@umn.edu wrote: So lets play a little hypothetical here; What if an RIR or ICANN through a global policy decided Whois Data no longer should be public for overriding privacy reasons. My read of Section 5, is that would be proper path for such

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-17 Thread Jari Arkko
Dave, Ralph, Jari has expressed the goal of having AD concerns be raised more publicly. Moving AD review and comment to the IETF Last Call venue nicely accomplishes this, too. I just posted elsewhere a suggestion to move this review even earlier, to WG last call. Accomplishes most of

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-17 Thread Keith Moore
On 05/17/2013 05:31 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: On May 17, 2013, at 12:58 AM, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: On 05/16/2013 04:46 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: The time for asking whether the group has considered making this field fixed length instead of variable, or whether RFC 2119 language is

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-17 Thread Keith Moore
On 05/17/2013 05:32 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: On May 17, 2013, at 1:38 AM, Fred Baker (fred) f...@cisco.com wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: There is a problem, though, that this will increase the load on ADs. Other concerns raised during IETF LC may lead to

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-17 Thread Dave Crocker
On 5/17/2013 7:01 AM, Keith Moore wrote: But WGs should be able to periodically summarize what they're doing - what problem they're trying to solve, what approach they're taking, what technologies they're using, what major decisions they've made, what the current sticking points seem to be, what

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-17 Thread Brian Haberman
Dave, On 5/17/13 11:37 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: On 5/17/2013 7:01 AM, Keith Moore wrote: But WGs should be able to periodically summarize what they're doing - what problem they're trying to solve, what approach they're taking, what technologies they're using, what major decisions they've made,

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-rfc2050bis-01.txt (The Internet Numbers Registry System) to Informational RFC

2013-05-17 Thread Randy Bush
To be abundantly clear, you are hypothesizing a difference of opinion between the IETF/IESG and the ICANN/RIR communities, wherein the technical guidance of the IETF was considered during the ICANN/RIR decision process, but in the end the outcome was contrary to IETF expectations. if you

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-rfc2050bis-01.txt (The Internet Numbers Registry System) to Informational RFC

2013-05-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, May 17, 2013 18:54 +0300 Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: To be abundantly clear, you are hypothesizing a difference of opinion between the IETF/IESG and the ICANN/RIR communities, wherein the technical guidance of the IETF was considered during the ICANN/RIR decision process,

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETFprocess]

2013-05-17 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:37 PM On 5/17/2013 7:01 AM, Keith Moore wrote: But WGs should be able to periodically summarize what they're doing - what problem they're trying to solve, what approach they're

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETFprocess]

2013-05-17 Thread Dave Crocker
On 5/17/2013 10:28 AM, t.p. wrote: The idea that working groups should be required to issue periodic project progress reports seems strikingly reasonable and useful. Some WG Chairs already do this and I find it most helpful. Even at the most basic level, of what documents have changed status

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-rfc2050bis-01.txt (The Internet Numbers Registry System) to Informational RFC

2013-05-17 Thread Brian E Carpenter
John, On 18/05/2013 05:23, John C Klensin wrote: ... I, however, do have one significant objection to the current draft of the document and do not believe it should be published (at least as an RFC in the IETF Stream) until the problem is remedied. The Introduction (Section 1) contains the

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-17 Thread Yoav Nir
On May 17, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: On 5/17/2013 7:01 AM, Keith Moore wrote: But WGs should be able to periodically summarize what they're doing - what problem they're trying to solve, what approach they're taking, what technologies they're using, what major

Diameter Credit Control Application--Issue during CCR-Update

2013-05-17 Thread Kamal Kotecha
  Hi Folks,   We are facing a problem with Diameter Credit Control Application:   Problem discription:   Diameter client sends a CCR-update message to server,but server does not respond to the request.   Now,as client is configured with session failover, it will send CCR-update to backup server.

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-rfc2050bis-01.txt (The Internet Numbers Registry System) to Informational RFC

2013-05-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Saturday, May 18, 2013 08:14 +1200 Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: John, On 18/05/2013 05:23, John C Klensin wrote: ... I, however, do have one significant objection to the current draft of the document and do not believe it should be published (at least as

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-rfc2050bis-01.txt (The Internet Numbers Registry System) to Informational RFC

2013-05-17 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 18/05/2013 11:59, John C Klensin wrote: --On Saturday, May 18, 2013 08:14 +1200 Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: John, On 18/05/2013 05:23, John C Klensin wrote: ... I, however, do have one significant objection to the current draft of the document and do not

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-17 Thread Keith Moore
On 05/17/2013 04:36 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: On May 17, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: On 5/17/2013 7:01 AM, Keith Moore wrote: But WGs should be able to periodically summarize what they're doing - what problem they're trying to solve, what approach they're taking, what

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-17 Thread Keith Moore
On 05/17/2013 10:21 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: I notice that nowhere on this list is any mention of the charter milestones or dates. Is the Foo Proto draft due in 14 months or is it 14 months behind schedule? If the latter, why isn't the Foo WG meeting at the IETF? I don't think milestones

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-17 Thread Keith Moore
On 05/17/2013 10:37 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com mailto:mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: I don't think milestones will be useful unless and until: (a) they're defined in terms of not only concrete but also

WG Review: JavaScript Object Notation (json)

2013-05-17 Thread The IESG
A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Applications Area. The IESG has not made any determination yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg at ietf.org) by 2013-05-27.

WG Action: Rechartered Path Computation Element (pce)

2013-05-17 Thread The IESG
The Path Computation Element (pce) working group in the Routing Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional information please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Path Computation Element (pce) Current Status: Active Working