BRAVO, techies not speaking Chinese would no longer mispronounce “Huawei” as
the name of some U.S state.
Victor Zhong Xin 钟 鑫
European Region,Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
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http://www.huawei.com
From:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013, Zhongxin (Victor) wrote:
BRAVO, techies not speaking Chinese would no longer mispronounce
“Huawei” as the name of some U.S state.
I have asked Huawei staff how it's pronounced and I think I get it fairly
right. People who hasn't, might get confused because when I use
I've always pronounced Huawei as Hawaii tbh.
On 11/07/2013 11:25, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013, Zhongxin (Victor) wrote:
BRAVO, techies not speaking Chinese would no longer mispronounce
“Huawei” as the name of some U.S state.
I have asked Huawei staff how it's pronounced
On 11/07/13 12:05, Tom McLoughlin wrote:
I've always pronounced Huawei as Hawaii tbh.
Not a bad idea to get Huawei smartphones under that brand name, which
sounds quite cute :)
Aaron
On 11/07/2013 11:25, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013, Zhongxin (Victor) wrote:
BRAVO,
Hi S. Moonesamy,
Thanks a lot, we will add that explaination you suggested in the next
version.
Best regards,
-Hui
2013/7/11 S Moonesamy sm+i...@elandsys.com
Hi Deng Hui,
At 17:04 10-07-2013, Hui Deng wrote:
We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
people
Good catch, thansk a lot
-Hui
2013/7/11 Will Liu (Shucheng) liushuch...@huawei.com
A typo in draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00: “Jiao4shao4” should be “
Jiao4shou4”.
** **
Cheers,
Shucheng LIU (Will)
** **
*From:* ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] *On
Hi Mikael,
I will change informational to no-purpose, not require IETF to publish it.
what we do is just want to help people who would like to follow it.
I personally feel that this is maybe one of not easier part for western
people to do in today IETF. and chinese's names sound maybe more
Great document, I really liked.
Same as SM I would suggest change western for something else.
And I would also suggest to move section 4 before explaining the
titles. I guess the reading would be much easier.
Regards,
as
On 7/10/13 9:55 PM, S Moonesamy wrote:
Hi Deng Hui,
At
Le 2013-07-11 02:04, Hui Deng a écrit :
We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
people names:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zcao-chinese-pronounce-00
Very cool! Thanks for writing this!
I have
On 7/11/13 10:58 AM, Simon Perreault wrote:
I have a question: I think I've seen Chinese names written in both
orders. That is, sometimes Hui Deng will be written Deng Hui. Am I
right? Does this happen often? What is the most common order? Is there a
way to guess what order a name is written
On Jul 11, 2013, at 8:14 AM, Hui Deng denghu...@gmail.com wrote:
I personally feel that this is maybe one of not easier part for western
people to do in today IETF. and chinese's names sound maybe more diffcult
than other eastern languages.
I think these documents are useful for IETFers who
Hi.
As I mentioned in private mail, I think these are really great
documents and will work on learning the advice contained in them.
I hope we will all strive to pronounce names of contributors and their
companies as they would wish us to pronounce them.
I was wondering if call-chinese-names
Hi Simon,
--On July 11, 2013 at 3:58:10 PM +0200 Simon Perreault
simon.perrea...@viagenie.ca wrote:
We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
people names:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00
Le 2013-07-11 16:22, Cyrus Daboo a écrit :
So, from a technical standpoint, it seems better to always represent
user names using components (last, first, middle)? vCard does have an
N property where individual components of a name can be broken out.
I'm nowhere near an expert on this topic,
On 07/11/2013 03:22 PM, Cyrus Daboo wrote:
In iCalendar (RFC5545) we have properties to represent the organizer and
attendee of meetings. A parameter (attribute) of those properties is
CN - defined to be the common name of the corresponding calendar
user. Obviously that is a single string
There are several interlocking issues with the day passes and cross area
participation.
One issue is the fact that the IETF chose a business model in which profits
from the conferences fund the organization and the IETF has no ability to
reconsider or change decisions of that sort. I can see that
Hi Simon,
--On July 11, 2013 at 4:28:05 PM +0200 Simon Perreault
simon.perrea...@viagenie.ca wrote:
So, from a technical standpoint, it seems better to always represent
user names using components (last, first, middle)? vCard does have an
N property where individual components of a name can
On Jul 11, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Simon Perreault simon.perrea...@viagenie.ca
wrote:
Is there a
way to guess what order a name is written in? Sometimes it's not easy
for non-Sinophones to know which part is the given name and which part
is the family name.
It's usually in the Chinese order in the
--On Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:34 -0400 Phillip Hallam-Baker
hal...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Using paid conferences as a profit center is a risky long term
prospect at best. Refusing to adapt the format of the
conferences to protect the profit center worse.
Or adapting the format to attract
On 11-Jul-13 08:58, Simon Perreault wrote:
I have a question: I think I've seen Chinese names written in both
orders. That is, sometimes Hui Deng will be written Deng Hui. Am
I right? Does this happen often? What is the most common order? Is
there a way to guess what order a name is written
From: Simon Perreault simon.perrea...@viagenie.ca
I think I've seen Chinese names written in both orders. That is,
sometimes Hui Deng will be written Deng Hui. Am I right? Does this
happen often?
I'm not certain about Chinese, but I know that with Japanese names, which
have
On 07/11/2013 11:17 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
--On Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:34 -0400 Phillip Hallam-Baker
hal...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Using paid conferences as a profit center is a risky long term
prospect at best. Refusing to adapt the format of the
conferences to protect the profit center
Tourists can turn into long term contributing attendees if they like what they
see and think it will be an effective forum to get work done. We need to
collectively do a better job helping new people get acclimated to being
effective at the IETF. The mentoring program, ISOC policy makers, and
First/Last = bad/ambiguous
Family (or maybe inherited) / Given = good
Thanks,
Donald
=
Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
d3e...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Cyrus Daboo cy...@daboo.name wrote:
--On Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:26 -0400 Noel Chiappa
j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu wrote:
From: Simon Perreault simon.perrea...@viagenie.ca
I think I've seen Chinese names written in both orders.
That is, sometimes Hui Deng will be written Deng
Hui. Am I right? Does this
On 10-Jul-13 19:04, Hui Deng wrote:
We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
people names:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zcao-chinese-pronounce-00
While first name and last name may be useful
Le 2013-07-11 17:44, John C KLENSIN a écrit :
Hence the common practise in some academic circles of giving
the family name in all capitals, to show which it is. So
whether you see Junichiro KOIZUMI or KOIZUMI Junichiro, you
know what you're seeing.
Not just in academic circles but in some
On 11 jul 2013, at 17:44, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote:
Not that rare if one includes family name in the middle as
another case that is unusual relative to normal English usage.
Maybe people from Iceland should start explaining how things work there?
;-)
Patrik
On 07/11/2013 11:39 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote:
The tutorials is an interesting idea. I think youtube videos may be effective
as well without having to schedule meetings for tutorials.
Note that I was suggesting tutorials as a revenue source for IETF. I
doubt that youtube videos would
Howdy,
Thanks for your efforts. I would suggest, however, that you re-title your
drafts so that Chinese is restricted to the populations which use pinyin
and have standardized on what English speakers call Mandarin (國語
or 普通話, depending on your background). Those who use romanizations based
on
On 7/11/13 4:14 AM, Hui Deng wrote:
I personally feel that this is maybe one of not easier part for western
people to do in today IETF. and chinese's names sound maybe more
diffcult than other eastern languages.
I know it is for me, and I'm grateful for the draft. I agree
that this is
Hi,
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 08:23:36PM -0700, S Moonesamy wrote:
responsibility about the RFC Series. The IAB statement refers to
RFCs from the www.faqs.org website.
Thanks for pointing this out. It is indeed embarrassing. This was a
clerical error. We have fixed it.
By way of
From: Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com
I agree that this is probably not appropriate for publication as an RFC
but it would certainly be useful to find someplace for it in the wiki.
Actually, it would be good to have a series of these (or maybe one page with
a number of
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.comwrote:
On 07/11/2013 11:39 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote:
The tutorials is an interesting idea. I think youtube videos may be
effective as well without having to schedule meetings for tutorials.
Note that I was
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Melinda Shore
I agree
that this is probably not appropriate for publication as an RFC
but it would certainly be useful to find someplace for it in the
wiki. The chairs wiki might be an option but I think it's of
+1
And should remove middle-name / middle-initial. It's very bad.
Joseph
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Donald Eastlake d3e...@gmail.com wrote:
First/Last = bad/ambiguous
Family (or maybe inherited) / Given = good
Thanks,
Donald
=
Donald E. Eastlake
Douglas,
...
Those traveling thousands of miles already confront many uncertainties.
Those that elect to participate remotely should be afforded greater
certainty of being able to participate when problems occur at local venues
or with transportation. Increasing participation without the
On 07/11/2013 04:50 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
Douglas,
...
Those traveling thousands of miles already confront many uncertainties. Those
that elect to participate remotely should be afforded greater certainty of
being able to participate when problems occur at local venues or with
On Jul 11, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com
wrote:
Douglas,
...
Those traveling thousands of miles already confront many uncertainties.
Those that elect to participate remotely should be afforded greater
certainty of being able to participate when problems
I think that misses the point.
The WG sessions are where the issues are raised and the opinions and positions
are stated.
Offline over the food and drink in small groups is where the detailed
discussion and finding of solutions to resolve those issues usually takes place.
Such a phenomena is
On 07/11/2013 06:24 PM, Andrew Allen wrote:
I think that misses the point.
The WG sessions are where the issues are raised and the opinions and positions
are stated.
As far as I can tell, these days the WG sessions are where endless
PowerPoint presentations are held and bored people check
tnx
Scott
On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote:
Scott,
is there a reason to not disclose who the individual participant is?
No, but actually that text just came from the standard boilerplate for the
last call text in these cases. In reality has been
This neglects to mention that the IETF is really an activity of the Internet
Society - see RFC2301 for takeover details.
As such, the IETF is a business unit of ISOC, which is a non-profit (charitable
organization) and which can subsidize the IETF, allowing different
conference/payment models
Folks,
I am a little confused by the following words. The sum for an early bird is
650$, right? Or do we need to pay extra VAT (which make the sum larger than
650$)? The last sentence is really confusing.
Early-Bird: $650 USD, if paid in full prior to 2400 UTC July 19, 2013.
All fees include
On 7/11/13 5:55 PM, Will Liu (Shucheng) wrote:
Folks,
I am a little confused by the following words. The sum for an early
bird is 650$, right? Or do we need to pay extra VAT (which make the
sum larger than 650$)? The last sentence is really confusing.
The vat is included. $650 is what
Yes, agree, we will change that accordingly.
Thanks.
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Donald Eastlake d3e...@gmail.com wrote:
First/Last = bad/ambiguous
Family (or maybe inherited) / Given = good
Thanks,
Donald
=
Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
Hi Hui Deng,
My comment for the draft is that I want to relate it to IETF as below,
which I see that already some on IETF addressed by draft already call
names including regional calling culture, which is excellent. The
document will increase awareness and make the IETF culture more
diversive.
Hi Paul,
I agree with you if someone attends without presenting work, but I
think the fees is reasonable if we compare with other conferences fees
per day (don't forget your free to presentations of your docs and get
feedback from many sessions, this may change in future if higher
load). If the
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Hi all
I am still in the vocation this two weeks out of Beijing with family, quite
diffcult to response in time, will try to update the drafts before the
deadline. Cao Zhen will help to reply some of the suggestions.
By the way,
surname is Deng
given name is Hui
Thank you all for the
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