RE: 10/100 pcmcia card
This is not the case. Here in Adelaide at the 47th IETF, there were problems with the wireless LAN early on, so several people were looking for PCMCIA network cards. I spent two hours going through several computer stores, some of which had sold out of network cards, and finally found a card. It turns out I didn't need the card. I thought someone else might, and actually got a couple of responses from people here in Adelaide. I apologize for the spam, but feel I must respond when someone accuses me in the reflector. -Original Message- From: Sonny Ghosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 1:01 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 10/100 pcmcia card It appears that you are using a professional, technical community mailing list as a flea market to peddle your extra stuff. Please be advised to refrain from this kind of obnoxious behavior, as you are wasting the time of too many people and denigrating the importance of this mailing list. -Original Message- From: Robin Uyeshiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 10/100 pcmcia card I bought a 10/100 ethernet PCMCIA card in Adelaide that, it turns out, I don't need. If anyone would like to take it off my hands, make me an offer. I bought it for Australian $149.
RE: Privacy and IETF Document Access
-Original Message- From: Lloyd Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 10:03 PM To: Robert G. Ferrell Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Privacy and IETF Document Access [...] which shouldn't be called 'anonymous', then. Just because it's a standard feature doesn't make it a good idea. Speaking of invasions of privacy, I can't find where in Navigator to set the anonymous ftp email password; looks like it's been inherently linked to mail identity. Building mail clients into web browsers has subtle privacy risks. L. For Netscape try: ftp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] resp.: ftp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Privacy and IETF Document Access (again)
Normally, I'd view this as rather cranky, since many implementations have asked for this information for rather a long time. I usually access them with the generic user "ftp", not "anonymous". I long ago gave up an expectation of anonymity. I believe that the proper security technique is through an anonymizing service. Sites that I regularly visit even have a stated privacy policy saying: your access will be monitored, if you don't like this please leave. However, we should take warning from the recent clueless Boston judge that foolishly granted "accelerated discovery" of non-defendants in the CyberPatrol reverse engineering case, when the plaintiff asked for access logs of many sites. The IETF needs a formal privacy policy. I recommend that we remove the "anonymous" user, leaving only the "ftp" or "guest" users. I recommend that we change the login message to have an explicit privacy statement, saying that the required email response will be used only for network administration purposes, destroyed after 3 days, and never revealed to any third party. Such are the exigencies of interaction with the US courts Do we have a WG that could write this up as a BCP? Tim Salo wrote: I'm concerned that by asking for an e-mail address prior to permitting access to documents, the IETF may be projecting a poor public image of the organization and its its efforts to assure online privacy. As an organization, we pride ourselves on being more concerned than most about privacy in a wired world. But, our ftp configuration could be interpreted as an indication that our actual data practices aren't much better than anyone else's. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32
Re: Privacy and IETF Document Access (again)
From: Tim Salo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I recently noticed that ftp.ietf.org requires the use of an e-mail address (well, ok, something that looks like an e-mail address) as a password for anonymous login. ... I obviously wasn't particularly clear about my concerns in my original note. I'm concerned that by asking for an e-mail address prior to permitting access to documents, the IETF may be projecting a poor public image of the organization and its its efforts to assure online privacy. [...] No, I don't think this is a big privacy breach. Rather, it is a matter of projecting an appearance that the IETF takes network privacy seriously. I am pragmatic. If the current string 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. is replaced with 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address or "anon@invalid" as password. and 530-You must supply a valid email address as your password. 530-For example, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is okay. with 530-You should supply a valid email address as your password. 530-For example, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is okay, 530-but "anon@invalid" is accepted too. I think that privacy concerns would be correctly addressed. ciao, .mau.
foglamps mailing list
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My goof (foglamps mailing list subscription)
The subscription address for the foglamps mailing list is "[EMAIL PROTECTED]," not the address I sent earlier. Apologies. Melinda
HTML forms
Some educational software advocates and I are considering asking the IETF to suspend control of certain aspects of HTML forms from the W3C until microphone upload issues are addressed. I am very interested in any public comments and private opinions on this matter. Please follow up or reply as you see fit. This is in no way a proposal to remove control of HTML -- other than regarding form device upload issues as per: http://www.bovik.org/device-upload.html -- from the W3C. I would not be suggesting this proposal if my appeal regarding W3C process was being treated seriously; there have been no replies to my appeals, or to questions from others, and and email to the www-forms list (claimed to be "public" on the W3C site) is still not being published. Cheers, James Salsman [The following analysis appeared in the March/April edition of "Extra!" magazine, published by Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (www.fair.org.) The author, Norman Solomon, is a widely-published media analyst. I believe the facts below can be partly explained by the closed and commercialized nature of the World Wide Web Consortium, especially in regard to HTML forms developments. These paragraphs are reproduced for their "fair" educational use. :jps] What Happened to the "Information Superhighway?" A few numbers tell a dramatic story about extreme changes in media fascination with the Internet. In 1995, media outlets were transfixed with the Internet as an amazing source of knowledge. Major newspapers in the U.S. and abroad referred to the "information superhighway" in 4,562 stories, according to the Nexis database. Meanwhile, articles mentioned "e-commerce" or "electronic commerce" only 915 times. Over the next few years, while Internet usage continued to grow by leaps and bounds, the news media increasingly downplayed "information superhighway" imagery (with a mere 842 mentions in major papers in 1999.) But media mania for electronic commerce exploded. In 1999, major newspapers mentioned e-commerce in 20,641 articles. Five years ago, there was tremendous enthusiasm for the emerging World Wide Web. The phrase "information superhighway" suggested that the Web was primarily a resource for learning and communication. Today, according to the prevalent spin, the Web is best understood as a way to make and spend money. The news media's recalibration of public expectations for the Internet has occurred in tandem with the steady commercialization of cyberspace. More and more, big money is weaving the Web, and the most heavily trafficked web-sites reflect that reality. Almost all of the Web's largest-volume sites are now owned by huge conglomerates. Establishing a pantheon of cyber-heroes, media coverage has cast businessmen like Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, and Steve Case as great visionaries. If your hopes for the communications future are along the lines of Microsoft, Amazon.com, and America Online, you'll be mighty pleased. -- Norman Solomon
Re: HTML forms
"James P. Salsman" wrote: Some educational software advocates and I are considering asking the IETF to suspend control of certain aspects of HTML forms from the W3C until microphone upload issues are addressed. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Gad. Get a life. Really. I'm gone a month from www-html and the first message I get upon resubscribing is this one. Looks like it's time to unsubscribe again. Bye. Murray ... Murray Altheimmailto:altheim#x40;eng.sun.com XML Technology Center Sun Microsystems, Inc., MS MPK17-102, 1601 Willow Rd., Menlo Park, CA 94025 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? -- Galatians 4:9
Re: HTML forms
Murray, Thank you for the substance of your debate: ... Get a life A life is best given with education (Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 27.) If microphone upload were prevalent, would asynchronous audio conferencing make spoken language instruction easier enough to help at least one other person? But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? -- Galatians 4:9 With the disclaimer that I am a strictly nonevangelical friend, here is a response in kind: And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. -- Luke 8:10 The whole point of microphone upload is to help teach languages where simple audio output is insufficient. Evaluation of audio input is necessary for effective speech training and accent reduction. Cheers, James
Re: HTML forms
At 16:52 29.03.00 -0800, James P. Salsman wrote: Some educational software advocates and I are considering asking the IETF to suspend control of certain aspects of HTML forms from the W3C until microphone upload issues are addressed. No matter what may be thought of the merits of the case, such a request would be ignored by the IETF. There is no procedure to "suspend control of aspects" of a specification, and the IETF is of the opinion that HTML is not under our control anyway. Sorry 'bout that. Harald -- Harald Tveit Alvestrand, EDB Maxware, Norway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
