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On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 10:44:47PM -0500, Keith Moore wrote:
it's hardly surprising that professional network administrators are more
likely than the average home user to understand the limitations of NATs,
[...]
a significant percentage of the folks who will drive v6 deployment will
be
David,
IPv6 does not solve the need to renumber if you change providers (and no,
not everyone can be a provider -- IPv6 uses CIDR, just like IPv4). Until
that issue is addressed, there will be NATs. Even for v6.
Odd. Every time I renumbered some site (hq.af.mil and sundry other sites
Well the message I got earlier was the IPv6 will not fix
the NAT problem - true or not true?
Well, it won't fix the NAT problem in scenarios
where v6 is not deployed. But aside from the
other answers you've received so far, I've also
heard several people mention the need to support
something
It's our collective job to ensure that IPv6 doesn't
leave any of the motivations to do NAT intact. The
"hiding" motivation (aka address policy domains)
is bogus anyway, and has never been a valid reason for
doing IPv4 NAT, so it's particularly hard to combat.
Brian
Melinda Shore wrote:
It's our collective job to ensure that IPv6 doesn't
leave any of the motivations to do NAT intact.
i suggest that, for most of us, there are more useful and concrete major
direct goals of ipv6 than anti-nat religion.
randy
Eliot,
On Wed, 2001.02.14, Eliot Lear wrote:
With all the discussion of Napster and so-called "peer to peer" networking,
I think NATs are going to become far more visible to users as these
applications grow in popularity. Today, you can use something like Gnutella
if at least one party is
Keith,
It has been my experience that many of the current network admins
today believe NAT is the de facto way of connecting to the Internet.
In fact, in one of the network classes I teach, it takes a lot of
convincing on my part to show that NAT offers them very little security.
Most net
On Thu, 2001.02.15, Lloyd Wood wrote:
that webpage is still black on black.
The style file on http://affine.watson.ibm.com/tmp/ has been commented out,
since some versions of Mozilla (4.05 on SunOS 5.6??) appear to be broken.
-p.
It's our collective job to ensure that IPv6 doesn't
leave any of the motivations to do NAT intact.
i suggest that, for most of us, there are more useful and concrete major
direct goals of ipv6 than anti-nat religion.
to the extent that anti-NAT is a religion it is because NAT is a
Vernon Schryver wrote:
It's hard to know when a username is truely defunct.
Depends on the corporation. At Netscape, we had an LDAP server that ruled
everything: email, NT and NFS fileservers, phones, and key cards. When someone
left the company, HR updated the LDAP server, and that username
i suggest that, for most of us, there are more useful and concrete major
direct goals of ipv6 than anti-nat religion.
to the extent that anti-NAT is a religion it is because NAT is a religion
no, it's a market reality. we may not like it, but we'd be fools to deny
it.
randy
i suggest that, for most of us, there are more useful and concrete major
direct goals of ipv6 than anti-nat religion.
to the extent that anti-NAT is a religion it is because NAT is a religion
no, it's a market reality. we may not like it, but we'd be fools to deny
it.
I agree that one
Such views, I submit, are a form of religion.
Religion is a belief in a power higher than oneself.
NAT-mania is a form of mass delusion.
Cheers,
RGF
Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP
Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
From: John Stracke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's hard to know when a username is truely defunct.
Depends on the corporation. At Netscape, we had an LDAP server that ruled
everything: email, NT and NFS fileservers, phones, and key cards. When someone
left the company, HR updated the LDAP server,
This is apparently the most recent one;
http://weblog.mercurycenter.com/ejournal/2001/02/14
[...]
In that world, every client -- that is, every PC and other device
connected to the Net -- should also be a server. Lots of people are
working on this, but a Menlo Park startup called
Dan Cassiday - High End Server Systems wrote:
This note is to announce a new IETF email reflector to discuss methods for
running IP traffic over an InfiniBand fabric. A BOF on this subject
has been proposed for the March IETF meeting.
To join the reflector, send email to [EMAIL
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:19:03 PST, Mark Nottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
KnowNow holds the connection open. Then it adds some JavaScript
and, voila, you have a mini-server inside the browser. You're not
necessarily using lots of bandwidth, but you are pretending, in
Nothing new here
i suggest that, for most of us, there are more useful and concrete major
direct goals of ipv6 than anti-nat religion.
And in fact, the anti-NAT religion hurts deployment of IPv6
because it is hard to get customers to throw away things
they have already bought.
I would also suggest that the
i suggest that, for most of us, there are more useful and concrete major
direct goals of ipv6 than anti-nat religion.
And in fact, the anti-NAT religion hurts deployment of IPv6
because it is hard to get customers to throw away things
they have already bought.
I would also suggest that
You give a name to your house (say, "The Tulip") and
the post office knows where The Tulip is. If you move,
you can do the same at your new location, provided
there is no conflict. This seems to be more similar to the
I suspect it only works in rural areas - I recall walking past 27A
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Gerck writes:
Actually, in the UK you can do just what you wish ;-)
You give a name to your house (say, "The Tulip") and
the post office knows where The Tulip is. If you move,
you can do the same at your new location, provided
there is no conflict. This seems
Keith,
At 10:44 PM 2/14/2001 -0500, Keith Moore wrote:
If end users are required to modify configuration files, you will see NAT
so they don't have to.
not if the NATs cause more pain than modifying the config files.
True. However, a company that produces a NAT that is more painful to
Keith,
At 10:44 PM 2/14/2001 -0500, Keith Moore wrote:
If end users are required to modify configuration files, you will see NAT
so they don't have to.
not if the NATs cause more pain than modifying the config files.
True. However, a company that produces a NAT that is more painful
hi all,
can somebody help me in understanding the NAS SDP parameters using which i
can report the failure of the Media Gateway to Media Gateway
controller,explaining the reason for failure.
Ravi Shankar
Software Engineer
Softswitch Engineering Group
Rapid5 Networks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Given the penetration of NAT, particularly in the business world, I
suspect B2B applications that do not work with NAT will not exist too
long.
from the little i have seen, because b2b usually wants authentication,
authorization, and encryption, a lot of that stuff goes through gateways/
"Steven M. Bellovin" wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Gerck writes:
Actually, in the UK you can do just what you wish ;-)
You give a name to your house (say, "The Tulip") and
the post office knows where The Tulip is. If you move,
you can do the same at your new location,
anyway, what's the half-life of a piece of network equipment? 2-3 years?
In the consumer space, it's probably the life of the customer's
arrangement with the service provider. While turnover is high with dialup
ISPs, it is presumably lower with xDSL and Cable modems. So I would be
looking
At 3:41 PM -0800 2/15/01, Ed Gerck wrote:
"Steven M. Bellovin" wrote:
You give a name to your house (say, "The Tulip") and
the post office knows where The Tulip is. If you move,
you can do the same at your new location, provided
there is no conflict.
...Note that this is a natural
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Gerck writes:
"Steven M. Bellovin" wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Gerck writes:
Actually, in the UK you can do just what you wish ;-)
You give a name to your house (say, "The Tulip") and
the post office knows where The Tulip is. If you move,
Steve Deering wrote:
At 3:41 PM -0800 2/15/01, Ed Gerck wrote:
You give a name to your house (say, "The Tulip") and
the post office knows where The Tulip is. If you move,
you can do the same at your new location, provided
there is no conflict.
...Note that this is a natural
"Steven M. Bellovin" wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Gerck writes:
"Steven M. Bellovin" wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Gerck writes:
Actually, in the UK you can do just what you wish ;-)
You give a name to your house (say, "The Tulip") and
the post office
Ed Gerck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Deering wrote:
At 3:41 PM -0800 2/15/01, Ed Gerck wrote:
You give a name to your house (say, "The Tulip") and
the post office knows where The Tulip is. If you move,
you can do the same at your new location, provided
there is no conflict.
Well the message I got earlier was the IPv6 will not fix
the NAT problem - true or not true? I assume
with IPv6 there is no need for NATs. Who thinks
they will still be around - humm maybe if the ISP charge
a fortune for 4 IP addresses vs 1 IP address (IPv6 or IPv4).
I think what we need
Steve Deering wrote:
At 6:21 PM -0800 2/15/01, Ed Gerck wrote:
...
In Internet NAT terms, "The Tulip" is the globally routable IP number for
my DSL, the post office is my NAT box and the physical address
"545 Abbey St." is the local, non-routable IP number of my host A.
That would be
Eric,
Odd. Every time I renumbered some site (hq.af.mil and sundry other sites
sharing similar characteristics), there was neither a NAT prior to, nor
subsequent to, the renumbering.
If they are already using NAT, it is most likely they wouldn't need your
services to renumber, no?
Rgds,
-drc
Noel,
At 01:20 AM 2/15/2001 -0500, J. Noel Chiappa wrote:
Why do I have to change
street addresses just because I moved?
A very good reason your name is separate from your address.
Good thing you didn't choose telephone numbers in your rant, huh?
In any event, my point (in case you missed it
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