Re: [idn] WG last call summary

2002-03-12 Thread D. J. Bernstein
Marc Blanchet writes: We will be sending the documents for IESG consideration for Proposed Standard on March 11th 2002. That's outrageous. IDNA has received strong written objections from at least fifteen regular WG participants and _hundreds_ of other people. IDNA will cause a tremendous

Re: [idn] WG last call summary

2002-03-12 Thread Dave Crocker
At 03:58 AM 3/11/2002 +, D. J. Bernstein wrote: That's outrageous. Hyperbole and sweeping, undocumented assertions are outrageous. Forwarding specifications that have been carefully responsive to the problem that the group was tasked with solving... now that is NOT outrageous. It's what

Re: [idn] WG last call summary

2002-03-12 Thread Soobok Lee
- Original Message - From: D. J. Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [idn] WG last call summary Marc Blanchet writes: We will be sending the documents for

Re: Last Call: IETF and ITU-T Collaboration Guidelines toInformational

2002-03-12 Thread John W Noerenberg II
At 8:53 AM -0500 3/9/02, John Stracke wrote: However, what's the point of tying someone to the rails after the train wreck? As a deterrent, I think. Don't misrepresent the ITU position, because they know whom they sent, and you'll blow your credibility in the ITU. The trouble here is the

Re: [idn] WG last call summary

2002-03-12 Thread Paul Hoffman / IMC
At 3:58 AM + 3/11/02, D. J. Bernstein wrote: You say that you are obliged to ignore all these objections because the IDN WG has to _do something_. You are lying again, Dan. Marc never said that, and you know it. --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium

RE: Last Call: IETF and ITU-T Collaboration Guidelines to Informational

2002-03-12 Thread Larry Masinter
Shouldn't this be considered as BCP rather than Informational? Formal liaison rules don't substitute well for responsibility and judgment. I would suggest that a set of guidelines for collaboration between IETF and other organizations in general should include an analysis of common failure

Re: Last Call: IETF and ITU-T Collaboration Guidelines to Informational

2002-03-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:45:15 EST, John Stracke [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: One solution to this one might be to close the loop: if a WG is going to act on a claim that the ITU wants such-and-so, then the WG chair checks with the ITU (somehow...). And vice versa, of course. This would be a

Netmeeting - NAT issue

2002-03-12 Thread Vivek Gupta
Hi I have been bugging U guys a lot for long now . especially Hari OK here is another question quite similar to previous one: Net meeting by Microsoft is not suppoted by NAT . this is the major problem --this is a problem with NAT or with NET meeting.?? I think I should

Re: Netmeeting - NAT issue

2002-03-12 Thread Randy Bush
Net meeting by Microsoft is not suppoted by NAT . this is the major problem you may not have noticed that o there is no ietf standards track document for net meeting o there is no ietf standards track document for nat hence no one here is surprised. caveat emptor. we design and

Re: Netmeeting - NAT issue

2002-03-12 Thread Keith Moore
Net meeting by Microsoft is not suppoted by NAT . this is the major problem NATs violate many of the assumptions of the Internet Protocol. It's unrealistic to expect many kinds of IP applications to work in the presence of NATs, unless they were specifically designed to do so. And

Re: Netmeeting - NAT issue

2002-03-12 Thread Jose Manuel Arronte Garcia
Hi Vivek: I am behind a firewall, as Help-desk Mgr. we had to find some answers for our customers regarding the issues you ask. I am SURE the problem is with netmeeting and other MS comunications softwatre. Try the following links: http://messenger.msn.com/support/knownissues.asp

Revisions to NOMCOM - RFC2727

2002-03-12 Thread James M Galvin
Discussions halted more than a month ago in deference to the active NOMCOM process. Now that they have completed their task we should pick up the discussion of the revision to the Nominating Committee Procedures (RFC2727). I wanted to take this opportunity to remind everyone about this

RE: Last Call: IETF and ITU-T Collaboration Guidelines to Informational

2002-03-12 Thread Larry Masinter
*** Someone will game the system, for example, to move forward a technical proposal by telling each group that the other group wants this. One solution to this one might be to close the loop: if a WG is going to act on a claim that the ITU wants such-and-so, then the WG chair checks