Re[6]: IPv6 addressing limitations (was national security)

2003-12-04 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you know of a better way than BGP, feel free to suggest it ... I've described variable-length addresses in the past. Essentially a system like that of the telephone network, with addresses that can be extended as required at either end. Such addressing allows

Re: Re[6]: IPv6 addressing limitations (was national security)

2003-12-04 Thread Johnny Eriksson
Anthony G. Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you know of a better way than BGP, feel free to suggest it ... I've described variable-length addresses in the past. Essentially a system like that of the telephone network, with addresses that can be extended as

Re: IPv6 addressing limitations (was national security)

2003-12-04 Thread Masataka Ohta
Anthony G. Atkielski; I've described variable-length addresses in the past. Essentially a system like that of the telephone network, with addresses that can be extended as required at either end. Such addressing allows unlimited ad hoc extensibility at any time without upsetting any routing

Re[8]: IPv6 addressing limitations (was national security)

2003-12-04 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Johnny Eriksson writes: You can start designing the ASICs now. It won't be easy. It worked with Strowger switches and crossbar mechanical exchanges; why would it be more difficult with ASICs?

Re[2]: IPv6 addressing limitations (was national security)

2003-12-04 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Masataka Ohta writes: Unlimited? The limitation on public part is 20 digits. That's just a matter of programming these days. Ad hoc extension beyond hardware supported length at that time will fatally hurt performance. What hardware limits numbers to 20 digits today?

Re: Ietf ITU DNS stuff III

2003-12-04 Thread Dan Kolis
Franck said: Well to come back to my original comment, is that IETF, IANA and ICANN by being individual members organisations do not have the front of ITU, which is unfortunate as the Internet is not being done in ITU. Governments have to understand that and for that dissociate themselves from the

An apology of sorts

2003-12-04 Thread Dan Kolis
Hi One paragraph to apologize about being aggressive about the ITU. So much comes out of them as a group that is nessessary and excellent, I'm sorry to be critical of their proposed increased role in internet. Stuff like AC-3 sound, the WARC process, is good work. Its not the people that slow it

Re: Ietf ITU DNS stuff

2003-12-04 Thread Mike S
At 07:30 PM 12/3/2003, Dean Anderson wrote... There are, though, good reasons to have some government controls on telecom. Whether these controls are too excessive or too lax is not up to ICANN or the ITU. I can think of cases were some good has come of it. E911, for example. Radio, TV,

Re: Ietf ITU DNS stuff III

2003-12-04 Thread jfcm
On 06:27 04/12/03, Paul Vixie said: there's plenty to worry about wrt the big boys controlling things, but the internet is definitionally and constitutionally uncontrollable. yay! This seems untrue in terms of operations if I refer myself to the USG relations with the nets. This sounds like

Re: national security

2003-12-04 Thread jfcm
Dear Mr. Lindqvist, I am afraid I do not understand some of the points you try to make. I will give basic responses, please do not hesitate to elaborate. On 21:27 02/12/03, Kurt Erik Lindqvist said: The post KPQuest updates are a good example of what Govs do not want anymore. I can't make this

Re: national security

2003-12-04 Thread jfcm
At 09:21 03/12/03, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: I agree and realize this. However, the let's take that argument out in the open and not hide it behind national security. I regret such an agressiveness. I simply listed suggestions I collected to ask warning, advise, alternative to problems

Re: IPv6 addressing limitations (was national security)

2003-12-04 Thread jfcm
Dear Masataka, my interest in this is national security. I see a problem with IPv6 in two areas. 1. the 001 numbering plan as inadequate to national interests - digital soverignty, e-territory organization, law enforcement, security and safetey, etc. related reasons (I do not discuss their

RE: Ietf ITU DNS stuff

2003-12-04 Thread Mike S
At 10:45 AM 12/4/2003, Steve Silverman wrote... The Internet is _in part_ an intellectual construction but so is the telephone network. I disagree. It doesn't do much without a physical implementation. Cognitive thought doesn't exist without a brain. That doesn't mean that thought is only _in

RE: Ietf ITU DNS stuff

2003-12-04 Thread Steve Silverman
The Internet is _in part_ an intellectual construction but so is the telephone network. It doesn't do much without a physical implementation. Whatever rights you, I, or anyone else may think are inalienable, in many parts of the world, the only rights anyone has are what the government allows. I'm

Re: Ietf ITU DNS stuff

2003-12-04 Thread jfcm
At 15:17 04/12/03, Mike S wrote: Sure, some governments can try to control some of the physical media which the Internet makes use of, but getting around that is simply a matter of reconfiguration. Dear Mike, I am only interested in technical issues in here. You may realize that the very

Re: national security

2003-12-04 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I agree and realize this. However, the let's take that argument out in the open and not hide it behind national security. I regret such an agressiveness. I simply listed suggestions I collected to ask warning, advise, alternative to problems

Re: Ietf ITU DNS stuff

2003-12-04 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 04 December, 2003 18:29 +0100 jfcm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Is there a technical way against spam for example? All I see here is please, call in the lawBut law is not the USG outside of the USA. Law is necessarily ITU. Because Law is States and for 136 years States use

Re: national security

2003-12-04 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The post KPQuest updates are a good example of what Govs do not want anymore. I can't make this sentence out. Do you mean the diminish of KPNQwest? In that case, please explain. And before you do: I probably know more about KPNQwest than

Re: Ietf ITU DNS stuff III

2003-12-04 Thread Franck Martin
It always striked me that a programme as popular as BBC Click online, never showed up at an ISOC (INET) or IETF meeting, but went to meetings where the Internet is made (Internet World, CeBit,...) Cheers On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 01:14, Dan Kolis wrote: So... The big contracts are pulled.

Re: IPv6 addressing limitations (was national security)

2003-12-04 Thread Masataka Ohta
Anthony G. Atkielski; Unlimited? The limitation on public part is 20 digits. That's just a matter of programming these days. On the Internet these days, it is a matter of hardware. Ad hoc extension beyond hardware supported length at that time will fatally hurt performance. What hardware

Re: Ietf ITU DNS stuff III

2003-12-04 Thread Franck Martin
On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 01:05, jfcm wrote: On 06:27 04/12/03, Paul Vixie said: there's plenty to worry about wrt the big boys controlling things, but the internet is definitionally and constitutionally uncontrollable. yay! This seems untrue in terms of operations if I refer myself to the USG

Re: national security

2003-12-04 Thread Franck Martin
On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 09:00, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The post KPQuest updates are a good example of what Govs do not want anymore. I can't make this sentence out. Do you mean the diminish of KPNQwest? In that case, please explain. And

Re: Ietf ITU DNS stuff

2003-12-04 Thread Masataka Ohta
John C Klensin; ITU-T is quite insistent that they make _Recommendations_ only. W.r.t. enforcement, ITU-T makes standards, regardless of whether it is called recommendations or requests for comments. Interpretation and enforcement is up to each individual government. No. WTO agreement helps a

Re: IPv6 addressing limitations (was national security)

2003-12-04 Thread Masataka Ohta
jfcm; Dear Masataka, my interest in this is national security. I see a problem with IPv6 in two areas. Only two? IPv6 contains a lot of unnecessary features, such as stateless autoconfiguration, and is too complex to be deployable. Comments welcome. As it is too complex, it naturally has a lot

RE: An apology of sorts

2003-12-04 Thread Tomson Eric \(Yahoo.fr\)
Almost perfect : they averaged the US and the EU propositions (32 and 64 bytes) for the data = 48 bytes, and then added 5 bytes for the header = 48 + 5 = 53 bytes. E.T. =-Original Message- =From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On =Behalf Of Dan Kolis =Sent: jeudi 4 décembre

Re: Ietf ITU DNS stuff

2003-12-04 Thread grenville armitage
Mike S wrote: [..] Many governments have over time attempted to control thought and personal speech, and none has been successful for any extended period of time. OT, but in my more cynical moments i'm inclined to think govt (societal) control of thought and speech has been far more

Re: national security

2003-12-04 Thread Franck Martin
On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 12:16, Suzanne Woolf wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:44:00AM +1200, Franck Martin wrote: There are now organisations installing root servers in all countries that want one. If you are operating a ccTLD, you may want have sitting next to your machines a root server,

Re: national security

2003-12-04 Thread Dean Anderson
On 5 Dec 2003, Paul Vixie wrote: my experience differs. when a root name server is present it has to be fully fleshed out, because if it isn't working properly or it falls over due to a ddos or if it's advertising a route but not answering queries, then any other problem will be magnified a

Re: national security

2003-12-04 Thread jfcm
Paul, 1. all this presumes that the root file is in good shape and has not been tampered. How do you know the data in the file you disseminate are not polluted or changed? 2. where is the best documentation - from your own point of veiw - of a root server organization. thank you jfc At

Re: national security

2003-12-04 Thread Franck Martin
On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 15:32, jfcm wrote: Paul, 1. all this presumes that the root file is in good shape and has not been tampered. How do you know the data in the file you disseminate are not polluted or changed? Because somebody will complain... ;) Franck Martin [EMAIL

Re[2]: IPv6 addressing limitations (was national security)

2003-12-04 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Masataka Ohta writes: On the Internet these days, it is a matter of hardware. And the hardware is a matter of firmware.

Re: SMTP compressed protocol...

2003-12-04 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, 05 December, 2003 15:29 +1200 Franck Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While talking about HTML in e-mail messages that consume a lot of bandwidth... Why SMTP servers do not negotiate to send an 8bit compressed stream between themselves. The same way HTTP negotiate a compressed stream