Re: dubious assumptions about IPv6 (was death of the Internet)

2004-01-17 Thread Keith Moore
The residential users don't need to have a globaly unique IP address. That's like saying residential telephone users don't need to have a phone number at which they can be reached. (after all, the purpose of their residential phones is to call businesses for the purpose of obtaining services,

Summary status of change efforts - Updated Web page

2004-01-17 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
I've attempted to update my summary of where everything is and placed it on http://www.ietf.org/u/ietfchair/change-status.html Because a cron job has to run before it's visible, it may be late in arriving - if the date at the top says January 13, it's the new version. A pre-production copy is

The IETF Mission [Re: Summary status of change efforts - Updated Web page]

2004-01-17 Thread Pekka Savola
Hello all, Sorry for opening this obvious can of worms (well, I think it has been opened a number of times, so the worms are probably already gone now..), but when considering how the IETF needs to change, it's obvious that we'll first (unless we just stick to the relatively safe changes, like

The IETF Mission

2004-01-17 Thread John Leslie
Pekka Savola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But as the vast evidence makes it clear, most ISPs do a very lousy job of deploying networks *properly*, causing harm to the Internet as a whole. Wouldn't it be somewhat in the IETF's business to try to give advice (using BCP and Info documents) how to

Re: The IETF Mission [Re: Summary status of change efforts - Updated Web page]

2004-01-17 Thread Fred Baker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 04:26 AM 1/17/2004, Pekka Savola wrote: The purpose of the IETF is to create high quality, relevant, and timely standards for the Internet. I think I would state it in these words: The Internet Engineering Task Force provides a forum for the

Re: The IETF Mission [Re: Summary status of change efforts - UpdatedWeb page]

2004-01-17 Thread grenville armitage
I'm not sure I see the ambiguities you assert. Pekka Savola wrote: [..] - These are so overly broad statements that they're close to unusable UNLESS you believe IETF is just a rubber-stamping standards organization. For example, what constitutes deploying networks? IETF certainly