Re: STD series of documents

2004-06-07 Thread Joe Touch
Michael Richardson wrote: Valdis == Valdis Kletnieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Valdis But anyhow, if we ever update STD005, we'll just do the Valdis obvious - create STD079 or whatever we're up to, stick an Valdis Obsoletes: STD005 on it, and stick an Obsoleted By: Valdis STD079

Re: STD series of documents

2004-06-07 Thread Joe Touch
Michael Richardson wrote: Joe == Joe Touch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing to consider, is having a web server which, when asked for: http://www.ietf.org/ref/rfc0791.txt redirects to: http://www.ietf.org/std/std005.txt Joe STD-5 is a nice choice - it actually refers to 6

Re: STD series of documents

2004-06-07 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Bob == Bob Braden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob If a paper is citing RFC 793 because it wants to cite the Bob standard spec for TCP, then citing STD3 is exactly the right Bob thing to do. I would submit that this is nearly always the Bob case.

Re: STD series of documents

2004-06-07 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- * Then requests for an RFC should _never_ redirect to a STD (which was * where I was going, BTW), but it's OK for the STD to redirect to the * current RFC (or set thereof, if multiples). I think that it is reasonable that there be a URL that

Re: STD series of documents

2004-06-07 Thread John C Klensin
Folks, This confusion about what STDs mean and what they might do for us finally convinced me to turn an idea that has been kicked around a few times into an I-D. It is in the hands of the posting queue and should, I assume, be announced today or tomorrow. Watch for an announcement for

Re: setting up the administrative structures we need

2004-06-07 Thread Leslie Daigle
Dave, No, you haven't missed it -- first step in setting up anything is making a (detailed) plan. Leslie. Dave Crocker wrote: Harald, HA 2) However, responding to the point asked - what is being hired now is a consultant to HA help with the activity of setting up the administrative structures we

Re: Last Call: 'Alternative Decision Making Processes for Consensus-blocked Decisions in the IETF' to Experimental RFC

2004-06-07 Thread John Stracke
Scott Bradner wrote: might be better as: In no way should this experiment or any future BCP for this small number of cases take precendence over the IETF's normal mode of operation. Specifically, these procedures are only to be used when a working group agrees to use them. Define

Re: setting up the administrative structures we need

2004-06-07 Thread John Stracke
John C Klensin wrote: * Yes, we could cut meeting costs considerably by holding all meetings in the US [...] the US has now created an entry visa situation that makes it essentially impossible for network engineers from a number of countries to attend. How about holding meetings in Canada? It'd

Re: setting up the administrative structures we need

2004-06-07 Thread John Leslie
John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An outline is very different from a detailed specification... Up to this point, I've only seen vague outlines. I could, I suppose, criticize these for what's _not_ in them, but I'd feel silly... ... The two

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2004-06-07 Thread Cook
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2004-06-07 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
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Re: STD series of documents

2004-06-07 Thread John C Klensin
Folks, This confusion about what STDs mean and what they might do for us finally convinced me to turn an idea that has been kicked around a few times into an I-D. It is in the hands of the posting queue and should, I assume, be announced today or tomorrow. Watch for an announcement for

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Re: Last Call: 'Alternative Decision Making Processes for Consensus-blocked Decisions in the IETF' to Experimental RFC

2004-06-07 Thread Scott Bradner
might be better as: In no way should this experiment or any future BCP for this small number of cases take precendence over the IETF's normal mode of operation. Specifically, these procedures are only to be used when a working group agrees to use them. Define agrees. When

Re: setting up the administrative structures we need

2004-06-07 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 5. juni 2004 16:13 -0700 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This means that you are proceeding with the changes. No. It means that we need to make a plan for those changes. You can't review what isn't there. My bad wording. Forgive my inattention, but where is a copy of the specific plan