60th IETF - public transports?

2004-06-19 Thread Hadmut Danisch
Hi, does anyone know how one can get from San Diego downtown to the conference hotel without renting a car? Are there public transports? Rent a bicycle? regards Hadmut ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: 60th IETF - public transports?

2004-06-19 Thread Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Hadmut Danisch wrote: does anyone know how one can get from San Diego downtown to the conference hotel without renting a car? Are there public transports? If you fly in and stay at conference hotel, then you can take the hotel shuttle at the airport. 5 minutes. Probably

Re: What exactly is an internet (service) provider?

2004-06-19 Thread Mark Smith
Hi Hadmut, On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:42:23 +0200 Hadmut Danisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, at least here in Germany Internet providers tend to do and not to do what they want. - Some cut off their clients every 24 hours (DSL) - Some block or slowdown particular tcp ports to get

Re: What exactly is an internet (service) provider?

2004-06-19 Thread Vernon Schryver
From: Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] So it would be good to have some kind of standard or definition, what exactly an internet provider has to do and what to refrain I tend to come up with the answer to your question the following way : (Q) What is the Internet ? I prefer the

Re: What exactly is an internet (service) provider?

2004-06-19 Thread Masataka Ohta
Hadmut Danisch wrote: Is there any? If not, shouldn't there be one? E.g. as an RFC? Here is an old Internet Draft, which IESG at that time refused to make it RFC, because some wanted to call NAT providers ISPs. Masataka Ohta -- INTERNET DRAFT

Re: What exactly is an internet (service) provider?

2004-06-19 Thread Masataka Ohta
Vernon Schryver wrote: I prefer the definitions of various kinds of Internet service in http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-klensin-ip-service-terms-02.txt It confuses Internet service and IP service and calls even a NAT provider ISP. In each case, the terminology refers to the

Re: What exactly is an internet (service) provider?

2004-06-19 Thread John C Klensin
Ohta-san, I do not expect that we will agree on this, and may need to simply agree to disagree, but, having just reviewed the draft you included in your slightly earlier not, let me try to explain the other point of view, and why the I-D to which Vernon refers is written the way it is and, in the