Names of standards-track RFCs

2004-07-14 Thread John C Klensin
Hi. A question as to whether I'm the only one who is bothered by a trend and, if not, if it is time for the community to give the IESG and the RFC Editor some advice. I note that my concern is _only_ about standards-track documents: they are widely referenced and cited by title as well as

Re: Names of standards-track RFCs

2004-07-14 Thread John Stracke
John C Klensin wrote: The expansion of it as an abbreviation doesn't provide significant information and may, indeed, add to confusion. It also makes it harder to search rfc-index.txt, since names can span line boundaries and abbrevations can't. Now, as far as I have been able to tell,

Re: Names of standards-track RFCs

2004-07-14 Thread Paul Hoffman / VPNC
At 12:08 PM -0400 7/14/04, John C Klensin wrote: Again, am I the only one who is bothered by this? No, not all. The RFC Editor is about to release revisions to the S/MIME specs where MIME is spelled out, for example. And, if not, can we ask the IESG to think a bit about this matter going

Re: Names of standards-track RFCs

2004-07-14 Thread Daniel Senie
At 12:56 PM 7/14/2004, John Stracke wrote: John C Klensin wrote: The expansion of it as an abbreviation doesn't provide significant information and may, indeed, add to confusion. It also makes it harder to search rfc-index.txt, since names can span line boundaries and abbrevations can't. Now, as

Re: Names of standards-track RFCs

2004-07-14 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - From: Daniel Senie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: Re: Names of standards-track RFCs ... Now a different viewpoint. When looking at drafts as they go by on id-announce, nothing gets me more annoyed than reading the title and

Re: Names of standards-track RFCs

2004-07-14 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 14 July, 2004 12:13 -0700 Randy Presuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi - From: Daniel Senie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: Re: Names of standards-track RFCs ... Now a different viewpoint. When looking at drafts as

RE: Names of standards-track RFCs

2004-07-14 Thread Christian Huitema
Agreed. Spelling things out becomes even more important as documents age. Consider, for example, IMP in some of the older RFCs. I suspect many IETF participants have never seen or used one, yet this was probably considered well known when those RFCs were written. Or consider the RFC that

RE: Names of standards-track RFCs

2004-07-14 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 14 July, 2004 18:06 -0700 Christian Huitema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Or consider the RFC that describes Classical IP and ARP over Automatic Teller Machines... What did you say an ARP was? Some sort of fuzzy alien, perhaps? A digestive sound made after excessive SIPPING ?