I have a very basic fear that this working group is getting chartered
with a bunch of aims added by people who will not take on the
task of doing the work. After private discussion with folks
involved, my sense is that the very core of this work is a perceived
need to be able to pass opaque
This is what I meant when I said that the charter is unclear
and it must explicitly state that NEA is not meant as a
protection mechanism of any sort for the network.
I don't believe the Charter needs to delve into this at all. If some people
see it as part of their protection mechanisms,
The IETF has an obligation to WIPO and to the DMCA and well - so far its
failed those pretty well I think.
Todd Glassey
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From: Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:07 AM
Tood,
Agreed, we should work to fix that.
Fritz.
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From: todd glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Nea] WG Review: Network
Agreed, we should work to fix that.
...
The IETF has an obligation to WIPO and to the DMCA
...
I can only assume this was intended as some form of joke.
Brian
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The IETF has an obligation to WIPO and to the DMCA
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I can only assume this was intended as some form of joke.
regardless of intent, it should be treated as such.
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No it wasn't Brian - the WIPO IP Framework calls for a set of protections
for Industrial Designs which ALL of the work that happens here is controlled
by right? Otherwise, do you formally want to make a declaration as the
IETF's Chair that the IETF and the ISOC are immune from Global IP Law and
Fritz this is a much bigger issue than ANYONE thinks at this time and its
based on the idea that the WIPO standard says that the IETF MUST be doing
Industrial Design IP Models, and it only does Copyright which is a violation
of the WIPO IP protection framework and the treaties ALL of the Member
Hi Darrly,
snip
It appears that the NEA charter is completely misleading to some
people from what is stated in this email. As the NEA
charter alludes
to, NEA does nothing to protect against compromised
devices. Also, as
has been agreed, NEA is not a protection mechanism for
On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 09:08:42AM -0700, todd glassey wrote:
No it wasn't Brian - the WIPO IP Framework calls for a set of protections
for Industrial Designs which ALL of the work that happens here is controlled
by right?
I suppose you might consider ALL IETF work as protected or threatened
Hi Susan,
-Original Message-
From: Susan Thomson (sethomso) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:27 PM
To: Narayanan, Vidya
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; iesg@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Nea] WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)
Hi Vidya
On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 09:08:42AM -0700, todd glassey wrote:
No it wasn't Brian - the WIPO IP Framework calls for a set of protections
for Industrial Designs which ALL of the work that happens here is controlled
by right? Otherwise, do you formally want to make a declaration as the
IETF's
On Wednesday, October 04, 2006 02:31:36 PM -0700 todd glassey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vidya good commentary, maybe I can add some more. The NEA, per the
charter-need's justification statement says:
Network Endpoint Assessment (NEA) architectures have been implemented
in the industry to
No you are wrong Ted, and its pretty funny too. As it happens you are
incorrect for saying that this is inappropriate for the IETF's lists.
You need to dig farther into the WIPO Site and find all the State Signatures
to the Treaties - its them that the IETF is bound by whether it likes it or
Harald Alvestrand wrote:
SNIP
Posture checking is certainly a leaky bucket. It doesn't
protect all kinds of endpoint, it doesn't protect the
endpoints against all kinds of threats, and it doesn't
protect much of anything against a smart, resourceful
attacker who is deeply familiar with the
On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 01:54:51PM -0700, todd glassey wrote:
No you are wrong Ted, and its pretty funny too. As it happens you are
incorrect for saying that this is inappropriate for the IETF's lists.
You need to dig farther into the WIPO Site and find all the State Signatures
to the
So then Ted are you formally saying that it is inappropriate to discuss IETF
operations or its processes on the IETF@IETF.ORG mailing list?
The problem with the IPR working group is simply that Harald kicks people
off for disagreeing with him or his very limited charter. He doesn't want to
hear
Jeff -
- Original Message -
From: Jeffrey Hutzelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: todd glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Narayanan, Vidya
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; iesg@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey Hutzelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Nea]
Just a reminder - (and apologies to our non-US participants)
For the first time ever (at least I can't remember another
occurrence) the US bi-annual general elections will occur during an
IETF week. If you're a US citizen and planning on voting this cycle
(and not from San Diego!), don't
On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 02:39:46PM -0700, todd glassey wrote:
So then Ted are you formally saying that it is inappropriate to discuss IETF
operations or its processes on the IETF@IETF.ORG mailing list?
If you have a specific and actionable suggestion regarding IETF
direction, policy, meetings,
You can choose permanent absentee status and vote using paper
indefinitely.
-Original Message-
From: Michael C. StJohns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:43 PM
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: IETF/US General Election
Just a reminder - (and apologies to our non-US
You know Ted you crack me up.
Todd Glassey
- Original Message -
From: Theodore Tso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: todd glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Nea] WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)
On Mon,
Hi -
Functionally, how would nea be different from using netconf
or snmp to retrieve a system's configuration data? Describing
it as a way to retrieve vendor-specific strings from a system
makes it sound like a profile of netconf.
Randy
From: Ted Hardie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ietf@ietf.org
Be careful offering legal advise. I believe what you are proposing is a
state issue. For example in Oregon we ONLY have mail in ballots. Other
states will have varying degrees of absentee balloting - each with their
own fun interpretations.
Bill
Moskovitz, Ram Austryjak wrote:
You can
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