Gen-ART Belated LC review of draft-freed-sieve-ihave-03

2008-12-10 Thread Ben Campbell
[Apologies for the lateness of this review. I somehow mis-recorded the due date. Here's my review hoping late is better than never.] I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/ar

Re: How I deal with (false positive) IP-address blacklists...

2008-12-10 Thread Keith Moore
Paul Hoffman wrote: > At 11:57 AM -0500 12/10/08, Theodore Tso wrote: >> The point I was trying to make is that there seems to be an inherent >> assumption by some people, perhaps because the people who make these >> assumptions run large mail servers, that the problem with someone who >> is wrongl

Re: How I deal with (false positive) IP-address blacklists...

2008-12-10 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - > From: "Dave CROCKER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Theodore Tso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: How I deal with (false positive) IP-address blacklists... ... > Really: If there is a larger issue that the IETF can and should tackle, then

Re: How I deal with (false positive) IP-address blacklists...

2008-12-10 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 11:57 AM -0500 12/10/08, Theodore Tso wrote: >The point I was trying to make is that there seems to be an inherent >assumption by some people, perhaps because the people who make these >assumptions run large mail servers, that the problem with someone who >is wrongly blocked rests solely with th

Re: How I deal with (false positive) IP-address blacklists...

2008-12-10 Thread Dave CROCKER
Theodore Tso wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 11:23:10AM -0800, Dave CROCKER wrote: Perhaps you can clarify the purpose of your note. How should it be incorporated into the IETF's deliberations? The point I was trying to make is that there seems to be an inherent assumption by some people, pe

Re: How I deal with (false positive) IP-address blacklists...

2008-12-10 Thread Theodore Tso
On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 11:23:10AM -0800, Dave CROCKER wrote: > Evidently you believe that the anecdote you posted proves something, but > I am not sure what. > > Some others have suggested that it proves something which, I strongly > suspect, is not what you had in mind. > > Perhaps you can clar

Re: Gen-ART Last Call Review of draft-ietf-pim-rpf-vector-06

2008-12-10 Thread IJsbrand Wijnands
Hi Ben, Sorry for the delay.. Substantive Comments: -- It is not clear to me why this is to be an informational RFC. It seems to be defining protocol. If that protocol is not intended to be a standard, then it would help to have an applicability statement to that effect. Good point, w

Re: How I deal with (false positive) IP-address blacklists...

2008-12-10 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 02:03:51AM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote: > Well, it blocked a legitimate e-mail message, so by definition the > rejection was false positive. That's incorrect. Determining whether the rejection was a false positive or true positive is the sole prerogative of the recipient,

Re: [dhcwg] Last Call: draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-bulk-leasequery (DHCPv6 Bulk Leasequery) to Proposed Standard

2008-12-10 Thread Jari Arkko
I wanted to send a message about my conclusion of this thread, as the draft is now progressing to IESG review. I sympathize with the desire to pull as much data as possible with a simple request and no prior knowledge of what sessions exist. I think it is obvious that with a better understandi

RE: How I deal with (false positive) IP-address blacklists...

2008-12-10 Thread ned+ietf
(While Dave's response to this is exactly correct - notihng in my original note had anything to do with sacrificing small scale setups - our failure to discuss these matters sensibly has some very important implications for small operators that deserve further comment.) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: How I deal with (false positive) IP-address blacklists...

2008-12-10 Thread michael.dillon
> Schemes that attempt to assess the desirability of the email > to the recipient have been tried - personal whitelists, > personal Bayesian filters, etc. etc. In practice they haven't > worked all that well, perhaps due to the average user's > inability to capably and consistently perform such

Re: How I deal with (false positive) IP-address blacklists...

2008-12-10 Thread Peter Dambier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Like it or not, sample size reallly does matter. But if you really do prefer > individual anecdotal evidence, I'll point out that in practically every bogus > blocking incident I've seen of late, the fault lies not with an operation like > Spamhaus, but with some local