Re: Fwd: Security Assessment of the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP)

2009-02-14 Thread Keith Moore
Joel Jaeggli wrote: Keith Moore wrote: Marshall Eubanks wrote: If I am reading this correctly the UK Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure wants the IETF (or some other body) to produce a companion document to the IETF specifications that discusses the security aspects and

Re: Security Assessment of the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP)

2009-02-14 Thread Lars Eggert
Hi, On 2009-2-14, at 0:25, Marshall Eubanks wrote: If I am reading this correctly the UK Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure wants the IETF (or some other body) to produce a companion document to the IETF specifications that discusses the security aspects and implications of

Re: Fwd: Security Assessment of the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP)

2009-02-14 Thread Jari Arkko
Keith, Joel, It's difficult to imagine that these things could be adequately captured in a static document, for TCP or any other protocol, because new threats and countermeasures continue to be identified decades after the base protocol is well-settled. Maybe something like an expanded version

Re: Fwd: Security Assessment of the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP)

2009-02-14 Thread TSG
Joel Jaeggli wrote: Keith Moore wrote: Marshall Eubanks wrote: If I am reading this correctly the UK Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure wants the IETF (or some other body) to produce a companion document to the IETF specifications that discusses the security aspects

IPR advice to avoid ignorant flame wars about patents

2009-02-14 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Thomas Narten wrote: IPR consultation is all about risk analysis. And risk to the IETF vs. risk to me personally vs. risk to my employer vs. risk to somebody else's employer, etc. All are VERY different things. I mean this in a polite way, but bull! IPR consultation is mostly about the

Re: IETF and open source license compatibility

2009-02-14 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2009-02-15 03:44, Theodore Tso wrote: On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 09:12:16AM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Or afterwards, since the license a contributor grants to the IETF Trust is non-exclusive. So contributing these words to the IETF does not affect in any way my ability to do as I wish

RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz-07

2009-02-14 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hi Sam, I am aware of some of the authorization mechanisms used in Kerberos (e.g., those introduced by Microsoft). The issue here is a bit different, particularly on the Internet (in comparison to the pure enterprise space). We see a good deal of SSO solutions being deployed. To provide

RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz-07

2009-02-14 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hi Josh, Hi Hans, Hannes wrote: Melinda wrote: and that there are some non-trivial advantages to carrying authorizations in-band. Namely... I don't wish to speak for Melinda, but this is a view shared by many within my own community. I have a long list of applications,

RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz-07

2009-02-14 Thread Josh Howlett
Hi Hannes, My fear about SAML in TLS was a history like the following one: * Hmmm. SAML becomes popular. We should put it in every protocol. * There isn't an extension for TLS defined yet. Let's do it. * Now, let's search for the problems it could solve. If the argument that you're

Re: [Fwd: Re: Changes needed to Last Call boilerplate]

2009-02-14 Thread John Levine
Despite currently excessive number of comments, I think we should invite more comments and make it easier, not harder to send them. Even if traffic on the list is now too high and information content per message is low, in general our average number of comments in the IETF Last Call stage is