Re: open protocols

2010-05-27 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 25 mei 2010, at 20:17, todd glassey wrote: The IETF does NOT own the underlying license rights to TCP/IP in ANY WAY. For the record TCP/IP actually probably still belongs to the US Government as it was originally produced under a Department of Defense contract with BBN about 40 years ago

Re: open protocols

2010-05-27 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On May 27, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 25 mei 2010, at 20:17, todd glassey wrote: The IETF does NOT own the underlying license rights to TCP/IP in ANY WAY. For the record TCP/IP actually probably still belongs to the US Government as it was originally produced under

IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Marshall Eubanks
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/27/internet.crunch.2012/index.html?hpt=T2 ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: Draft IETF Meeting Calendar 2014 - 2017

2010-05-27 Thread Ray Pelletier
All; I've not had any feedback on these dates. Surely there must be some conflicts you could identify. Thanks Ray On May 18, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: All; The IAOC proposes the following IETF meeting dates for the years 2014 through 2017 and requests your feedback before

Re: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Matthew Ford
On 27 May 2010, at 14:16, Ole Jacobsen wrote: Is that the Matt Ford who works for ISOC or somebody else? The latter. The person quoted is well-known, so that makes me think this story was written by someone with a clue. No comment ;) Mat

Re: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com this story was written by someone with a clue. Not really. A high marketing FUD / technical content ratio. Noel ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Crocker
I agree. That said, it's a bit challenging to get the right message across. IPv4 hosts will continue to increase for quite a while, but address space will increasingly hard to obtain. The large growth will come in the IPv6 space. IPv6 networks and products are maturing but are still not yet

Re: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Rumbidzayi Gadhula
On 27 May 2010 16:11, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote: I agree. That said, it's a bit challenging to get the right message across. IPv4 hosts will continue to increase for quite a while, but address space will increasingly hard to obtain. The large growth will come in the IPv6

Re: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Crocker
IPv6 networks and products are maturing but are still not on a par with *IPv4* networks and services. Apologies. Steve Sent from my iPad On May 27, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Rumbidzayi Gadhula rumbi...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 May 2010 16:11, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote: I agree.

Re: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Ole Jacobsen
I guess my point was more that this article actually quotes a *real* expert rather than someone we've never heard of --- a more common practice for the press. Whether or not you agree with Daniel, he does at least have extensive experience in these matters. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and

Re: [newprep] WG Review: Stringprep after IDNA2008 WG (newprep)

2010-05-27 Thread Sam Hartman
Peter == Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im writes: Peter On 5/19/10 12:36 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: I believe that without explicitly listing the use cases I've brought up in the body of the charter, the additional paragraph Peter I proposed: PeterAlthough the group

Re: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2010-05-28 02:44, Ole Jacobsen wrote: I guess my point was more that this article actually quotes a *real* expert rather than someone we've never heard of --- a more common practice for the press. Whether or not you agree with Daniel, he does at least have extensive experience in these

Re: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Fred Baker
FYI, BBC scooped the story on 11 May, and had a story on the topic last September. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10105978.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8227117.stm On May 27, 2010, at 5:10 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:

RE: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Jason.Weil
2015 seems awfully optimistic. I wouldn't want to be the poor soul responsible for their ISP network who built a transition plan based on a 2015 depletion and then realized I was wrong by a few years. Jason -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org]

Re: review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-eap-mutual

2010-05-27 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi Dan, Thanks for reviewing this document. Responding to your main point: The need to correlate the client's EAP and IKE identity is not new to this protocol. It has to be done in exactly the same manner, for exactly the same reasons, in today's IKEv2. This is what IKEv2-bis says about it:

Re: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Ofer Inbar
Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: The major problem with the story is that it confounds IANA runout (objectively predicted for 2011) with when ISPs run out of IPv4 space (which is not so easy to predict, but 2015 is a popular estimate). The rest is pretty good for a story in

Re: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 20100527205219.gw5...@mip.a.org, Ofer Inbar writes: Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: The major problem with the story is that it confounds IANA runout (objectively predicted for 2011) with when ISPs run out of IPv4 space (which is not so easy to predict,

Re: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Patrik Fältström
As native IPv6 connections are compared more and more with IPv4 NAT:ed connections, I think this will go quicker than what people think. Note that most of the difference between the protocols are features and operational experiences the ISPs have. For the end user...how much difference is there

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2010-05-27 Thread Thomas Narten
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Re: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-05-27 Thread Patrik Fältström
I also think 2015 is very optimistic for some players. Specifically cellphone providers that provide data access over for example 3G or 4G. The growth is so fast that the block allocations from the RIRs are hard to compute. I helped one at the last RIPE meeting in Prague, and then will now get

Last Call: rfc5652 (Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)) to Full Standard

2010-05-27 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the smime WG (smime) to consider the following document: - 'Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) ' RFC 5652 as a Full Standard This specification contains normative down references to Proposed Standards RFCs 5280 and 3281. The community previously reviewed

RFC 5863 on DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Development, Deployment, and Operations

2010-05-27 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5863 Title: DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Development, Deployment, and Operations Author: T. Hansen, E. Siegel, P. Hallam-Baker, D.

RFC 5887 on Renumbering Still Needs Work

2010-05-27 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5887 Title: Renumbering Still Needs Work Author: B. Carpenter, R. Atkinson, H. Flinck Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: