Re: Automatically updated Table of Contents with Nroff

2010-12-29 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Gosh, we managed to have that entire discussion without a single person comparing it to emacs vs vi. oopsie. On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.dewrote: On 28.12.2010 18:26, Martin Rex wrote: ... Everyone who looks at writing I-Ds should seriously consider

BCP request: WiFi at High-Tech Meetings

2010-12-29 Thread Dave CROCKER
Time for a BCP? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/29/technology/29wifi.html?_r=1nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha25 The problem is that Wi-Fi was never intended for large halls and thousands of people, many of them bristling with an arsenal of laptops, I don't recall seeing a document on this and

Re: BCP request: WiFi at High-Tech Meetings

2010-12-29 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Dec 29, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Time for a BCP? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/29/technology/29wifi.html?_r=1nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha25 The problem is that Wi-Fi was never intended for large halls and thousands of people, many of them bristling with an arsenal of

Re: BCP request: WiFi at High-Tech Meetings

2010-12-29 Thread Ole Jacobsen
Dave, I think you will find that our NOC people have a great deal of experience and perhaps even a list of do's and don'ts for this type of design. In the end, this technology will not scale without bonds if we're talking about n-thousand people sitting in a plenary hall, but there are

Re: BCP request: WiFi at High-Tech Meetings

2010-12-29 Thread Henning Schulzrinne
I'm curious what the largest *successful* deployment has been (measured in number of participants in a single room/hall/stadium/...) that anybody has seen, within the IETF or beyond. The NYC article hints at the fact that the limit may be hotel fiber, rather than wireless, in some cases. We

Re: BCP request: WiFi at High-Tech Meetings

2010-12-29 Thread Xiaoming Fu
The best conference WiFi experience I had ever with was the SIGCOMM'07 conference room in Kyoto International Conference Center http://www.icckyoto.or.jp/ in Kyoto, Japan. It showed nearly no service interruption for my laptop. It might be interesting to learn from our Japanese colleagues how

Re: BCP request: WiFi at High-Tech Meetings

2010-12-29 Thread Richard L. Barnes
Jonny Martin did a nice little lightning talk on the topic at APNIC 29: http://meetings.apnic.net/__data/assets/pdf_file/0012/19020/Lightning-Talk_09_Jonny-Martin-APRICOT2010-wifi-network.pdf On Dec 29, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: Dave, I think you will find that our NOC

Re: BCP request: WiFi at High-Tech Meetings

2010-12-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 12/29/10 8:03 AM, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: I'm curious what the largest *successful* deployment has been (measured in number of participants in a single room/hall/stadium/...) that anybody has seen, within the IETF or beyond. The NYC article hints at the fact that the limit may be hotel

Re: BCP request: WiFi at High-Tech Meetings

2010-12-29 Thread Chris Elliott
On Dec 29, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: On 12/29/10 8:03 AM, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: I'm curious what the largest *successful* deployment has been (measured in number of participants in a single room/hall/stadium/...) that anybody has seen, within the IETF or

WiFI and authentication

2010-12-29 Thread Lawrence Conroy
Hi Folks, whilst everyone is on the topic of WiFi ... Now that the meeting in the PRC is over, is there any intention to continue the WiFi authentication shenanigans? [802.1X stuff, entering the magic number on your badge, ...] That seemed to be another added complexity @ Maastricht, so I'd

Re: BCP request: WiFi at High-Tech Meetings

2010-12-29 Thread David Morris
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: I'm curious what the largest *successful* deployment has been (measured in number of participants in a single room/hall/stadium/...) that anybody has seen, within the IETF or beyond. The NYC article hints at the fact that the limit may be

Re: BCP request: WiFi at High-Tech Meetings

2010-12-29 Thread Fred Baker
I would suggest having it written by Austria Telecom and WIDE. On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Time for a BCP? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/29/technology/29wifi.html?_r=1nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha25 The problem is that Wi-Fi was never intended for large halls and

Re: Automatically updated Table of Contents with Nroff

2010-12-29 Thread Martin Rex
Julian Reschke wrote: On 28.12.2010 18:26, Martin Rex wrote: ... Everyone who looks at writing I-Ds should seriously consider looking at NRoffEdit before deciding which document format and tool to use. ... Everyone who looks at writing I-Ds should also seriously consider xml2rfc.

Re: Automatically updated Table of Contents with Nroff

2010-12-29 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - From: Martin Rex m...@sap.com To: Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de Cc: ietf@ietf.org; barryle...@computer.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Automatically updated Table of Contents with Nroff ... I tried to use xml2rfc once and gave up after 3 hours of

Re: Automatically updated Table of Contents with Nroff

2010-12-29 Thread Doug Ewell
Martin Rex wrote: Everyone who looks at writing I-Ds should also seriously consider xml2rfc. :-) Only if he is in for a lot of pain and trouble... I used xml2rfc (the online version, not installing it) to write RFC 4645 and 5646, including numerous drafts, without any significant pain or