Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
Down below, for the proposed HTTP/2.0 work it says: * Reflecting modern security requirements and practices In some earlier discussion I asked what modern means there. It seems to mean at least working well with TLS, but I'm not sure what else is meant, if anything. In particular, I think

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-02-21 19:26, Stephen Farrell wrote: Down below, for the proposed HTTP/2.0 work it says: * Reflecting modern security requirements and practices In some earlier discussion I asked what modern means there. It seems to mean at least working well with TLS, but I'm not sure what else is

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 02/21/2012 06:33 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2012-02-21 19:26, Stephen Farrell wrote: Down below, for the proposed HTTP/2.0 work it says: * Reflecting modern security requirements and practices In some earlier discussion I asked what modern means there. It seems to mean at least

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-02-21 19:37, Stephen Farrell wrote: ... I believe this should be orthogonal to HTTP/2.0. Is there a specific thing that makes it impossible to use the existing authentication framework? Who knows? We don't have a protocol on the table yet. I would imagine that some level of backwards

Re: TSVDIR review of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-bulk-leasequery

2012-02-21 Thread Kim Kinnear
Joe, Thank you for your review. My responses are indented, below... On Feb 13, 2012, at 5:00 PM, Joe Touch wrote: Hi, all, I've reviewed this document as part of the transport area directorate's ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written primarily for the

Re: [dhcwg] TSVDIR review of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-bulk-leasequery

2012-02-21 Thread Kim Kinnear
On Feb 13, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Joe Touch wrote: Hi, all, One additional transport suggestion: - it would be useful to include recommended configurations for TCP connections. Given these are multi-byte request/response exchanges, Nagle should be disabled, e.g. One of the

Re: [dhcwg] TSVDIR review of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-bulk-leasequery

2012-02-21 Thread Ted Lemon
On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Joe Touch wrote: Thanks. In this case, it's important to suggest why others should not add conventional DHCP query support to the TCP port. The idea of doing DHCP stateful autoconfiguration over TCP is nonsensical: DHCP clients start out with no IP address, so it is

Re: [lisp] WG Review: Recharter of Locator/ID Separation Protocol (lisp)

2012-02-21 Thread John Scudder
Jari, I appreciate that brevity is desirable. I think in this case, the compression process may have been unintentionally lossy. Let me say what in my view was lost: 1. In discussions within the LISP WG it's frequently stated that experimentation will resolve some disputed question. Given

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-21 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 00:52, Livingood, Jason jason_living...@cable.comcast.com wrote: To be more specific, at least section 5.5 (it is unclear how implementers will judge when the network conditions will have changed sufficiently to justify turning off DNS Resolver Whitelisting

Explanation of the OCSP sign request

2012-02-21 Thread Robert Hernady
Hi, I'm looking for the better understanding for the RFC 2560 Online Certificate Status Protocol - OCSP. The section 4.1 defines the ASN.1 structure for the OCSP request. Follows the shortened structure. OCSPRequest TBSRequest OPTIONAL Signature, where the signature is marked as

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-21 Thread Livingood, Jason
On 2/21/12 2:54 AM, Lorenzo Colitti lore...@google.commailto:lore...@google.com wrote: I think the suggested change does not go far enough. The high-service-level domains that prompted this draft to be written, and all the implementers I'm currently aware of, are decommissioning the practice.

Re: Explanation of the OCSP sign request

2012-02-21 Thread Martin Rex
Robert Hernady wrote: I'm looking for the better understanding for the RFC 2560 Online Certificate Status Protocol - OCSP. The section 4.1 defines the ASN.1 structure for the OCSP request. Follows the shortened structure. OCSPRequest TBSRequest OPTIONAL Signature, where the

Conclusion of Last Call for draft-ietf-sieve-convert and draft-ietf-sieve-notify-sip-message

2012-02-21 Thread Pete Resnick
I wanted to inform the community of the results of the second Last Call issued for draft-ietf-sieve-convert and draft-ietf-sieve-notify-sip-message. To remind you of the circumstances: After these two documents were approved by the IESG and sent on to the RFC Editor, an IPR disclosure was made

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Julian, On 02/21/2012 06:50 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2012-02-21 19:37, Stephen Farrell wrote: ... I believe this should be orthogonal to HTTP/2.0. Is there a specific thing that makes it impossible to use the existing authentication framework? Who knows? We don't have a protocol on

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Barry Leiba
browser id, openid, and oauth are all authentication frameworks built on top of HTTP OAuth is an authorization framework, not an authentication one. Please be careful to make the distinction. What we're looking at here is the need for an HTTP authentication system that (for example) doesn't

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 22/02/2012, at 9:19 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: Hi Julian, On 02/21/2012 06:50 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2012-02-21 19:37, Stephen Farrell wrote: ... I believe this should be orthogonal to HTTP/2.0. Is there a specific thing that makes it impossible to use the existing

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Tim Bray
[in-line] On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Mark Nottingham m...@mnot.net wrote: And then should it include adding some new options or MTI auth schemes as part of HTTP/2.0 or even looking at that? (I think it ought to include trying for that personally, even if there is a higher-than-usual

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 02/21/2012 10:40 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: On 22/02/2012, at 9:19 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: So as in my initial mail the 1st question here is, what does modern mean in this draft charter? E.g. does it mean same as the current framework with different bits or something else? If so,

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Mark Nottingham
Stephen, The approach we're advocating for this WG is to solicit well-formed proposals, select one and develop it. If there isn't one for HTTP authentication, how are you advocating we proceed? Regards, On 22/02/2012, at 9:53 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: On 02/21/2012 10:40 PM, Mark

A nuance of interoperability reports

2012-02-21 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
We like to see interoperability reports contain information about features of a protocol that are used vs. unused, so that if and when the protocol seeks advancement along the standards track, we can decide whether we want to keep it in the revision. Should we consider a protocol feature only

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 02/21/2012 10:55 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: Stephen, The approach we're advocating for this WG is to solicit well-formed proposals, select one and develop it. If there isn't one for HTTP authentication, how are you advocating we proceed? I'm not thinking now in terms of advocating a

Re: A nuance of interoperability reports

2012-02-21 Thread Richard Barnes
Seems like it depends on your definitions of abusive and legitimate. Do you have an example? On Feb 21, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: We like to see interoperability reports contain information about features of a protocol that are used vs. unused, so that if and when the

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Michael Richardson
Barry == Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org writes: Barry OAuth is an authorization framework, not an authentication Barry one. Please be careful to make the distinction. Barry What we're looking at here is the need for an HTTP Barry authentication system that (for example)

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread David Morris
On Tue, 21 Feb 2012, Michael Richardson wrote: Barry == Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org writes: Barry OAuth is an authorization framework, not an authentication Barry one. Please be careful to make the distinction. Barry What we're looking at here is the need for an

Last Call: draft-ietf-decade-problem-statement-05.txt (DECoupled Application Data Enroute (DECADE) Problem Statement) to Informational RFC

2012-02-21 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Decoupled Application Data Enroute WG (decade) to consider the following document: - 'DECoupled Application Data Enroute (DECADE) Problem Statement' draft-ietf-decade-problem-statement-05.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in

Re: Major upgrade to the IETF Datatracker

2012-02-21 Thread IETF Chair
Thank you for testing the new Datatracker. You have uncovered several bugs, and they have all been fixed. We still want to achieve a nearly unnoticeable change-over, so please make sure the Datatracker fully supports the way that you use the current Datatracker. Unless a significant bug is

WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread IESG Secretary
A modified charter has been submitted for the Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis) working group in the Applications Area of the IETF. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The modified charter is provided below for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to

WG Action: RECHARTER: Basic Level of Interoperability for SIP Services (bliss)

2012-02-21 Thread IESG Secretary
The Basic Level of Interoperability for SIP Services (bliss) working group in the Real-Time Applications and Infrastructure Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the working group Chairs. Basic Level of Interoperability for SIP

WG Action: RECHARTER: BiDirectional or Server-Initiated HTTP (hybi)

2012-02-21 Thread IESG Secretary
The BiDirectional or Server-Initiated HTTP (hybi) working group in the Applications Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the working group Chairs. BiDirectional or Server-Initiated HTTP (hybi)

Document Action: 'A URN Namespace For The ucode' to Informational RFC (draft-ishikawa-yrpunl-ucode-urn-03.txt)

2012-02-21 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'A URN Namespace For The ucode' (draft-ishikawa-yrpunl-ucode-urn-03.txt) as an Informational RFC This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact person is Peter Saint-Andre. A URL of

Document Action: 'IPv6 Multihoming without Network Address Translation' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-multihoming-without-ipv6nat-04.txt)

2012-02-21 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'IPv6 Multihoming without Network Address Translation' (draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-multihoming-without-ipv6nat-04.txt) as an Informational RFC This document is the product of the IPv6 Operations Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Ron Bonica

Protocol Action: 'Bulk Binding Update Support for Proxy Mobile IPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-netext-bulk-re-registration-12.txt)

2012-02-21 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Bulk Binding Update Support for Proxy Mobile IPv6' (draft-ietf-netext-bulk-re-registration-12.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Network-Based Mobility Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Jari

Document Action: 'Source Address Validation Improvement Framework' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-savi-framework-06.txt)

2012-02-21 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Source Address Validation Improvement Framework' (draft-ietf-savi-framework-06.txt) as an Informational RFC This document is the product of the Source Address Validation Improvements Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Jari Arkko and

Protocol Action: 'Prefix Exclude Option for DHCPv6-based Prefix Delegation' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-pd-exclude-04.txt)

2012-02-21 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Prefix Exclude Option for DHCPv6-based Prefix Delegation' (draft-ietf-dhc-pd-exclude-04.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Dynamic Host Configuration Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Ralph Droms and Jari

Protocol Action: 'Use of SHA-256 Algorithm with RSA, DSA and ECDSA in SSHFP Resource Records' to Proposed Standard (draft-os-ietf-sshfp-ecdsa-sha2-07.txt)

2012-02-21 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Use of SHA-256 Algorithm with RSA, DSA and ECDSA in SSHFP Resource Records' (draft-os-ietf-sshfp-ecdsa-sha2-07.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG

Protocol Action: 'Authentication-Results Registration Update for SPF Results' to Proposed Standard (draft-kucherawy-authres-spf-erratum-02.txt)

2012-02-21 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Authentication-Results Registration Update for SPF Results' (draft-kucherawy-authres-spf-erratum-02.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact person

Protocol Action: 'Transmission of Syslog Messages over TCP' to Historic (draft-gerhards-syslog-plain-tcp-14.txt)

2012-02-21 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Transmission of Syslog Messages over TCP' (draft-gerhards-syslog-plain-tcp-14.txt) as a Historic This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact person is Dan Romascanu. A URL of