Re: Making the Tao a web page

2012-06-03 Thread Dave Crocker
On 6/4/2012 12:36 AM, SM wrote: At 14:33 01-06-2012, Russ Housley wrote: So, I am left with a few questions: - What is the similar forcing function if we use a wiki? - Will the number of people that can make updates eliminate the need for such a forcing function? - Who designates the editor-in

Re: Making the Tao a web page

2012-06-03 Thread SM
Hi John, At 18:34 03-06-2012, John C Klensin wrote: I don't think that is a fair comparison. First of all, the Last Call spawned the whole thread about colloquial language. I don't have any way to know how many of those who participated in that thread read all the way through the document and e

Re: Making the Tao a web page

2012-06-03 Thread Lixia Zhang
On Jun 3, 2012, at 6:34 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > ... I further guess that > "on an ongoing basis" will be better for the document than > getting a new snapshot out as an RFC and seeing how long it > takes to get stale and how long after that it takes the > community to notice. ... I second th

Re: Making the Tao a web page

2012-06-03 Thread John C Klensin
--On Sunday, June 03, 2012 15:36 -0700 SM wrote: > At 14:33 01-06-2012, Russ Housley wrote: >> it in a wiki, there will be more people that can make update, >> but the publication process ensure that an end-to-end read >> takes place when an update published as an RFC. > > Seven individuals

Re: Making the Tao a web page

2012-06-03 Thread John C Klensin
--On Sunday, June 03, 2012 14:58 -0800 Melinda Shore wrote: > On 6/3/12 2:46 PM, John C Klensin wrote: >> Also, perhaps because I have a more vivid (or paranoid) >> imagination than you do, I can think of a lot more than four >> individuals who would be inclined to wreck the party. > > This, I

Re: Making the Tao a web page

2012-06-03 Thread SM
At 14:33 01-06-2012, Russ Housley wrote: it in a wiki, there will be more people that can make update, but the publication process ensure that an end-to-end read takes place when an update published as an RFC. Seven individuals (approximate) submitted comments during the Last Call. That's no

Re: Making the Tao a web page

2012-06-03 Thread Melinda Shore
On 6/3/12 2:46 PM, John C Klensin wrote: Also, perhaps because I have a more vivid (or paranoid) imagination than you do, I can think of a lot more than four individuals who would be inclined to wreck the party. This, I think, is the show-stopper. Back when the internet started to become popul

Re: Making the Tao a web page

2012-06-03 Thread John C Klensin
--On Sunday, June 03, 2012 17:40 -0400 Eric Burger wrote: > What we have now *is* sclerotic. See Russ' email above yours. > > Can we PLEASE eat our own dog food? Wikipedia managed not to > melt down when they decided NOT TO BUILD WALLS so there were > no gates for the barbarians to crush. > >

Re: Making the Tao a web page

2012-06-03 Thread Eric Burger
What we have now *is* sclerotic. See Russ' email above yours. Can we PLEASE eat our own dog food? Wikipedia managed not to melt down when they decided NOT TO BUILD WALLS so there were no gates for the barbarians to crush. Let's just turn on a wiki. Wiki's have a lot of technical measures to dea

Re: maybe it's getting real

2012-06-03 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 6/3/12 11:13 , Dave Crocker wrote: > Sitting in a pub in the Tiergarten metro station, in Berlin, today, I > checked whether there were any open-access wireless points around. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37107291/ns/technology_and_science-security/ > There weren't. > > But one of the nets had

Re: Last Call: (Updated Specification of the IPv4 ID Field) to Proposed Standard

2012-06-03 Thread Masataka Ohta
C. M. Heard wrote: >> Existing routers, which was relying on ID uniqueness of atomic >> packets, are now broken when they fragment the atomic packets. > > Such routers were always broken. An atomic packet has DF=0 and any > router fragmenting such a packet was and is non-compliant with > the rel

Re: maybe it's getting real

2012-06-03 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Dave Crocker wrote: Subject: maybe it's getting real Sitting in a pub in the Tiergarten metro station, in Berlin, today, I checked whether there were any open-access wireless points around. There weren't. It's very unfortunate "not sharing bandwidth" is getting real. P

maybe it's getting real

2012-06-03 Thread Dave Crocker
Sitting in a pub in the Tiergarten metro station, in Berlin, today, I checked whether there were any open-access wireless points around. There weren't. But one of the nets had an SSID of IPV6... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net

Re: [IETF] Re: Last Call: (Updated Specification of the IPv4 ID Field) to Proposed Standard

2012-06-03 Thread Warren Kumari
-- No man is an island, But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie them together, they make a pretty good raft. --Anon. On Jun 3, 2012, at 12:34 AM, C. M. Heard wrote: > On Sat, 2 Jun 2012, Masataka Ohta wrote: >> Existing routers, which was relying on ID uniqueness of atomi

Re: Gen-ART LC/Telechat review of draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension-04

2012-06-03 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi Ben, On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > Thanks for the quick response. Further comments inline. I deleted sections > that do not appear to need further discussion. > > Thanks! > > Ben. > > On Jun 1, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > >> Hi Ben, >> >> Thanks for you