Re: Updating RFC2119

2012-07-23 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 22/07/2012 17:26, Melinda Shore wrote: On 7/22/12 3:17 AM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: IF x, THEN y: ELSE: ELSE IF: Please send your comments or advise, thanking you, Yes: you might try to explain what problem you think you're solving. Melinda Preferable with a list of RFC text

Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

2012-07-23 Thread Luigi Iannone
On Jul 20, 2012, at 18:36 , Joel jaeggli wrote: On 7/20/12 09:06 , IETF Administrative Director wrote: The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 scheduled for March 2016. Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is Easter.

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth-bearer and rfc 2617/httpbis authentication framework

2012-07-23 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-07-23 00:33, Stephen Farrell wrote: Hi all, I'd like to check that some recent minor changes to this document [1] don't cause technical or process-grief. The version [2] of the oauth bearer draft that underwent IETF LC and IESG evaluation had a normative dependency on the httpbis wg's

Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

2012-07-23 Thread Henk Uijterwaal
On 20/07/2012 18:06, IETF Administrative Director wrote: The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 scheduled for March 2016. Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is Easter. The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be rescheduled

Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

2012-07-23 Thread Glen Zorn
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 10:08 +0200, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: On 20/07/2012 18:06, IETF Administrative Director wrote: The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 scheduled for March 2016. Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27

Re: Updating RFC2119

2012-07-23 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Stewart, Usually the (IF x, THEN y) means if x happens then y is a MUST, so I don't see the important reflection of a MUST in many documentation when using *if*. That is why I prefer to find requirements more easily while skimming any IETF document, the MUST, SHOULD, and IF, these are

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth-bearer and rfc 2617/httpbis authentication framework

2012-07-23 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 07/23/2012 08:56 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2012-07-23 00:33, Stephen Farrell wrote: Hi all, I'd like to check that some recent minor changes to this document [1] don't cause technical or process-grief. The version [2] of the oauth bearer draft that underwent IETF LC and IESG

Re: Updating RFC2119

2012-07-23 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
comments in line I'd encourage you to not try change 2119. thanks for your comment Instead, add whatever new definitions you feel you need to your own draft that addresses some technical, and not process, topic. I agree that I will need to add to the technical draft for now. If people

Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

2012-07-23 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Jul 23, 2012, at 14:28, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote: you need to take into account at least both the Friday and Monday in some countries. +1 In much of Europe, the Easter holidays run from Good Friday to Easter Monday, and exhibit -- strong travel activity -- zero to reduced opening times

Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

2012-07-23 Thread Pelletier Ray
On Jul 23, 2012, at 4:08 AM, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: On 20/07/2012 18:06, IETF Administrative Director wrote: The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 scheduled for March 2016. Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is

RE: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-23 Thread Richard Shockey
+1 Excellent idea in principle ..IMHO just a matter of working out details. -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bradner, Scott Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 10:17 AM To: Scott Brim Cc: wgcha...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org;

Re: Updating RFC2119

2012-07-23 Thread Dave Crocker
On 7/23/2012 4:26 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: I'd encourage you to not try change 2119. Instead, add whatever new definitions you feel you need to your own draft that addresses some technical, and not process, topic. If people find your new definitions useful they'll say and if enough of that

RE: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-23 Thread Richard Shockey
As a working assumption let's say at least 750 USD or Euros per hour to calculate cost recovery. -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John C Klensin Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 10:40 AM To: IETF Administrative Director Cc:

Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-23 Thread Scott O Bradner
I did it once - it took 2 or 3 hours *it was quite a while back and I do not remember) there were no significant expenses - the depo was in Boston my only expense was a few hours parking - the depo was done in the office of the law firm that was providing the IETF with pro-bono legal services

Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-23 Thread Scott O Bradner
I did not do them any favor - I did the IETF a favor (as the then ISOC VP for Standards) Scott On Jul 22, 2012, at 4:43 PM, John R Levine wrote: I did it once - it took 2 or 3 hours *it was quite a while back and I do not remember) there were no significant expenses - the depo was in

RE: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

2012-07-23 Thread DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
Let's forget the religious discussion that seems to have broken out as a result of this. While Easter may be a major Christian festival, I don't believe the issue is such (I can think of no reasons why Christians would have a doctrinal reason other than those that apply to any other Sunday and

RE: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

2012-07-23 Thread James Polk
At 07:28 AM 7/23/2012, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote: Let's forget the religious discussion that seems to have broken out as a result of this. While Easter may be a major Christian festival, I don't believe the issue is such (I can think of no reasons why Christians would have a doctrinal

Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-23 Thread Samuel Weiler
No objection. Thank you for asking. Just as with any project that you don't really want to take on, make sure the price is high enough that you're willing to do it should someone be foolish enough to pay the asking price. Also consider adding an automatic fee escalation clause (e.g. permit

Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

2012-07-23 Thread Samuel Weiler
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: I don't understand why this issue is coming up. Maybe you don't know, IETF 84 falls in the month of Ramadan for Muslims and nobody asked to change it? I think focusing on the religious roots of the holiday is misguided. The question is what effect

Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

2012-07-23 Thread Martin Rex
John Levine wrote: [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] You're not going to find cool temperatures again in July or August unless you go as far south as Argentina or New Zealand. Not only is there life north of the 60th parallel (N), there are even hotels and restaurants and

Last Call: draft-ietf-abfab-usecases-03.txt (Application Bridging for Federated Access Beyond web (ABFAB) Use Cases) to Informational RFC

2012-07-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Application Bridging for Federated Access Beyond web WG (abfab) to consider the following document: - 'Application Bridging for Federated Access Beyond web (ABFAB) Use Cases' draft-ietf-abfab-usecases-03.txt as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a

IAB IPv6 privacy survey posted, response requested

2012-07-23 Thread IAB Chair
The IAB is working on http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-privacy-considerations 'Privacy Considerations for Internet Protocols'. In order to better understand the implementation status of IPv6 privacy mechanisms in operating system stacks, those familiar with OS IPv6 implementations are asked

Protocol Action: 'The Atom deleted-entry Element' to Proposed Standard (draft-snell-atompub-tombstones-18.txt)

2012-07-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'The Atom deleted-entry Element' (draft-snell-atompub-tombstones-18.txt) as Proposed Standard This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact person is Barry Leiba. A URL of this

Document Action: 'An IETF URN Sub-Namespace for OAuth' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-oauth-urn-sub-ns-06.txt)

2012-07-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'An IETF URN Sub-Namespace for OAuth' (draft-ietf-oauth-urn-sub-ns-06.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Web Authorization Protocol Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Stephen Farrell and Sean Turner. A URL of

Protocol Action: 'Indicating Email Handling States in Trace Fields' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-appsawg-received-state-04.txt)

2012-07-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Indicating Email Handling States in Trace Fields' (draft-ietf-appsawg-received-state-04.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Applications Area Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Barry Leiba and Pete Resnick. A

Document Action: 'Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page' to Informational RFC (draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-04.txt)

2012-07-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page' (draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-04.txt) as Informational RFC This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact person is Russ Housley. A

Protocol Action: 'Default Address Selection for Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6)' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-6man-rfc3484bis-06.txt)

2012-07-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Default Address Selection for Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6)' (draft-ietf-6man-rfc3484bis-06.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the IPv6 Maintenance Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Brian Haberman and Ralph

Protocol Action: 'DNS Security (DNSSEC) DNSKEY Algorithm IANA Registry Updates' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-registry-update-03.txt)

2012-07-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'DNS Security (DNSSEC) DNSKEY Algorithm IANA Registry Updates' (draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-registry-update-03.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the DNS Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Ralph Droms and