Re: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site

2012-09-20 Thread Joe Touch
On 9/19/2012 3:31 PM, John Levine wrote: In article 505a2b08.70...@isi.edu you write: On 9/19/2012 11:24 AM, John Levine wrote: Utility can determine whether it's worth the effort/expense to run a public archive, but your utility never undermines my rights as an author. We're very deep

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07

2012-09-20 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
On 09/19/2012 04:24 AM, Ben Campbell wrote: I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq . Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive.

Are there XMPP conference servers for IETF in use outside of IETF meeting weeks?

2012-09-20 Thread Nico Williams
There are times when I hunger for IETF chat rooms in between IETF meetings. Some mailing list discussions suffer from latency + piling on. I understand that IM chat rooms would often suffer from lack of attendance, but a sort of interim meeting could get called on IM much more often than

Re: Are there XMPP conference servers for IETF in use outside of IETF meeting weeks?

2012-09-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Nico, On 09/19/2012 11:02 PM, Nico Williams wrote: There are times when I hunger for IETF chat rooms in between IETF meetings. Some mailing list discussions suffer from latency + piling on. I understand that IM chat rooms would often suffer from lack of attendance, but a sort of interim

Re: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site

2012-09-20 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 23:38 +0200 Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org wrote: ... Until there is a court decision impacting this usefulness (or one can be reasonably expected), the legal angle is simply irrelevant. (Just keeping the thread alive so it doesn't seem that everybody

Re: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site

2012-09-20 Thread Dave Crocker
On 9/19/2012 2:38 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: On Sep 19, 2012, at 22:28, Joe Touch to...@isi.edu wrote: I'm simply refuting *any* argument that starts with because it's useful to the community. Interestingly, these kinds of arguments are the only ones I'm interested in. Until there is a

Re: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site

2012-09-20 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Sep 20, 2012, at 18:49, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: I personally don't consider it very likely that someone would actually sue or convince some appropriate prosecutor to come after us. But, however one assesses the likelihood of that happening and of that party winning, I

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07

2012-09-20 Thread Barry Leiba
-- Abstract should mention that this updates 3501 Really? A detail of this document updates a minor detail of that document, that's hardly what I would expect to see in a single-paragraph summary. I know someone who likes to repeat the Subject in the first line of the email body text. Just

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07

2012-09-20 Thread ned+ietf
On 09/19/2012 04:24 AM, Ben Campbell wrote: I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq . Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive.

Bits-N-Bites Sponsors Needed for Atlanta

2012-09-20 Thread IETF Chair
We are seeking sponsors for the Bits-N-Bites event at IETF 85 in Atlanta. This is a fairly new community networking experimental event; the first Bits-N-Bites took place in at IETF 84 in Vancouver. The Inaugural Sponsors in Vancouver were Juniper, Huawei, ICANN, IPSO Alliance, and the Internet

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07

2012-09-20 Thread Ben Campbell
Hi John, thanks for the response. Comments inline: On Sep 19, 2012, at 3:45 AM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: --On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 21:24 -0500 Ben Campbell b...@nostrum.com wrote: I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please

Re: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site

2012-09-20 Thread SM
Hi Carsten, At 10:28 20-09-2012, Carsten Bormann wrote: We just had a consensus call in one WG on adopting a draft that at this time had been expired for a year. The chairs didn't notice, because the URI was stable (as it should be). Send a message with a subject line of Resurrect I-D file to

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-09

2012-09-20 Thread Ben Campbell
On Sep 19, 2012, at 6:53 AM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: Following up on my earlier note about a comment from you that really applies to the strategy on which all four documents are really based... --On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 20:44 -0500 Ben Campbell b...@nostrum.com

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07

2012-09-20 Thread Ben Campbell
Thanks for the response--comments inline: On Sep 19, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Arnt Gulbrandsen a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no wrote: On 09/19/2012 04:24 AM, Ben Campbell wrote: I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-07

2012-09-20 Thread Ben Campbell
Hi, Email discussion about the simple downgrade draft made me think of a concern that I think I failed to mention in my review. In particular, the tunneling mechanism allows the creation of several new Downgraded-* header fields containing encoded content from the original message. Given that

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-abfab-gss-eap-naming-05.txt (Name Attributes for the GSS-API EAP mechanism) to Proposed Standard

2012-09-20 Thread Simon Josefsson
I found no major issues with this document. I support publishing it if the minor issues below are resolved. The document is written in a rather information dense style, but I can't come up with any easy way to make it more accessible. More examples and illustrations would help, but I don't see

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2012-09-20 Thread Thomas Narten
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Last Call: draft-ietf-abfab-gss-eap-naming-05.txt (Name Attributes for the GSS-API EAP mechanism) to Proposed Standard

2012-09-20 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Application Bridging for Federated Access Beyond web WG (abfab) to consider the following document: - 'Name Attributes for the GSS-API EAP mechanism' draft-ietf-abfab-gss-eap-naming-05.txt as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the

Protocol Action: 'Support for Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) Events in Sieve' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-sieve-imap-sieve-09.txt)

2012-09-20 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Support for Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) Events in Sieve' (draft-ietf-sieve-imap-sieve-09.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Sieve Mail Filtering Language Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Pete

WG Action: Rechartered Network Configuration (netconf)

2012-09-20 Thread The IESG
The Network Configuration (netconf) working group in the Operations and Management Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional information please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Network Configuration (netconf) Current Status:

Bits-N-Bites Sponsors Needed for Atlanta

2012-09-20 Thread IETF Chair
We are seeking sponsors for the Bits-N-Bites event at IETF 85 in Atlanta. This is a fairly new community networking experimental event; the first Bits-N-Bites took place in at IETF 84 in Vancouver. The Inaugural Sponsors in Vancouver were Juniper, Huawei, ICANN, IPSO Alliance, and the Internet

Last Call: draft-ietf-geopriv-local-civic-06.txt (Specifying Civic Address Extensions in PIDF-LO) to Proposed Standard

2012-09-20 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Geographic Location/Privacy WG (geopriv) to consider the following document: - 'Specifying Civic Address Extensions in PIDF-LO' draft-ietf-geopriv-local-civic-06.txt as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and