Re: WCIT outcome?

2012-12-29 Thread Jorge Amodio
ITU was founded previously as the International Telegraph Union before AG Bell's phone was patented, no doubt the evolution of telecommunications and the Internet puts ITU with its current behavior in the path of becoming obsolete and extinct, but you can't discount many positive contributions

Re: WCIT outcome?

2012-12-29 Thread Masataka Ohta
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: The stakeholders in the Internet don't even align to countries. My own employer is relatively small but was founded in the UK, moved its headquarters to the US and has operations in a dozen more countries and many times that number of affiliates. The same is even

travel guide for the next IETF...

2012-12-29 Thread Dave Crocker
Going Beyond Disney in Orlando Quick, name five reasons to go to Orlando. Here are mine: Puerto Rican delicacies, alternative cinema, craft beer, African-American history and psychic readings...

Re: travel guide for the next IETF...

2012-12-29 Thread Greg Shepherd
City of Celebration - it's more than just a movie set. Freakiest place on earth. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: Going Beyond Disney in Orlando Quick, name five reasons to go to Orlando. Here are mine: Puerto Rican delicacies, alternative

Re: travel guide for the next IETF...

2012-12-29 Thread Dave Crocker
On 12/29/2012 7:29 AM, Greg Shepherd wrote: Freakiest place on earth. uh oh. now you've invited a debate... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net

Re: WCIT outcome?

2012-12-29 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Jorge Amodio jmamo...@gmail.com wrote: ITU was founded previously as the International Telegraph Union before AG Bell's phone was patented, no doubt the evolution of telecommunications and the Internet puts ITU with its current behavior in the path of becoming

Re: travel guide for the next IETF...

2012-12-29 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Dec 29, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: Going Beyond Disney in Orlando Quick, name five reasons to go to Orlando. Here are mine: Puerto Rican delicacies, alternative cinema, craft beer, African-American history and psychic readings...

Re: WCIT outcome?

2012-12-29 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 29 dec 2012, at 19:19, Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: ITU must change if it is to survive. But it was merely a means to an end. There is no reason that the ITU 'must' be kept in existence for its own sake. Tim Berners-Lee has on numerous W3C AC meetings reminded people

Re: WCIT outcome?

2012-12-29 Thread SM
At 10:19 29-12-2012, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: ICANN is a US corporation and the US government can obviously pass laws that prevent ICANN/IANA from releasing address blocks that would reach certain countries no matter what Crocker et. al. say to the contrary. But absent a deployed BGP