Re: A proposal for a scientific approach to this question [was Re: I'm struggling with 2219 language again]

2013-01-09 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
might preference would be just to pick one, and provide a stick for hitting those who do it the other way. I think that IESG is already using that stick :) AB On 1/9/13, Dean Willis dean.wil...@softarmor.com wrote: On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com

Re: [apps-discuss] Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-json-pointer-07.txt (JSON Pointer) to Proposed Standard

2013-01-09 Thread Robert Sayre
Awesome news: JSON Patch has enough IESG votes to become a standards track document, even though JSON Pointer still has a discuss. This way of doing things is very efficient--lots of documents can be approved this way. - Rob On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org

Re: A proposal for a scientific approach to this question [was Re: I'm struggling with 2219 language again]

2013-01-09 Thread Martin Rex
John Day wrote: For any formal proofing system worth its dime, this can be 100% ruled out, since the proofing system will emit a 100% bugfree implementation of the spec in the programming language of your choice as a result/byproduct of the formal proofing process. C'mon. You don't really

Re: A proposal for a scientific approach to this question [was Re: I'm struggling with 2219 language again]

2013-01-09 Thread Martin Rex
John Day wrote: It would be interesting to see you apply that. This is what I have been talking about. The human mind's ability to believe that the whole world sees everything the same way they do. It really is quite amazing. These so-called gaps often arise because they were unstated

Re: A proposal for a scientific approach to this question [was Re: I'm struggling with 2219 language again]

2013-01-09 Thread Hector Santos
Maybe the survey to be done is a review of all the RFC, STD and see which ones - had a great abstract and introduction, - had the better writing styles - had the least endorsement resistance - progress faster than most, - had the most implementators, - with least support/questions need to be

Re: LC comments on draft-laurie-pki-sunlight-05

2013-01-09 Thread Ben Laurie
On 1 January 2013 21:50, =JeffH jeff.hod...@kingsmountain.com wrote: Hi, Here are some last call comments on draft-laurie-pki-sunlight-05. Overall the spec is in basically overall reasonable shape but I do have some substantive comments that if I'm not totally misunderstanding things (which

Re: A proposal for a scientific approach to this question [was Re: I'm struggling with 2219 language again]

2013-01-09 Thread Joe Touch
On 1/7/2013 6:01 PM, John Day wrote: All standards groups that I am aware of have had the same view. This is not uncommon. Although, I would point out that the TCP specification nor do most protocols specifications of this type follow this rule. State transitions are not visible on the wire.

Orlando IETF Codesprint

2013-01-09 Thread IETF Chair
Orlando IETF Codesprint When: Saturday, 9 March 2013, starting at 9:30 AM Where: IETF Hotel What: A bunch of hackers get together to work on code for the IETF. All code will become part of the open source IETF tools. Who: Hopefully you can help Many of the results of previous

Last Call: draft-ietf-ipfix-information-model-rfc5102bis-09.txt (Information Model for IP Flow Information eXport (IPFIX)) to Proposed Standard

2013-01-09 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the IP Flow Information Export WG (ipfix) to consider the following document: - 'Information Model for IP Flow Information eXport (IPFIX)' draft-ietf-ipfix-information-model-rfc5102bis-09.txt as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the

Call for Comment: Issues in Identifier Comparison for Security Purposes

2013-01-09 Thread IAB Chair
This is an announcement of an IETF-wide Call for Comment on 'Issues in Identifier Comparison for Security Purposes'. The document is being considered for publication as an Informational RFC within the IAB stream, and is available for inspection here:

Protocol Action: 'Format for the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Common Log Format (CLF)' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-sipclf-format-11.txt)

2013-01-09 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Format for the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Common Log Format (CLF)' (draft-ietf-sipclf-format-11.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the SIP Common Log Format Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Robert

Protocol Action: 'The Common Log Format (CLF) for the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP): Framework and Information Model' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-sipclf-problem-statement-13.txt)

2013-01-09 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'The Common Log Format (CLF) for the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP): Framework and Information Model' (draft-ietf-sipclf-problem-statement-13.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the SIP Common Log Format Working Group.