Re: Vestigial Features (was Re: CRLF (was: Re: A modest proposal))

2013-01-24 Thread Dave Cridland
On Jan 24, 2013 3:42 AM, Dale R. Worley wor...@ariadne.com wrote: From: Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org I think in protocol evolution (as well as computer system evolution in general) we are missing triggers to get rid of vestigial features. That's quite true. Let us start by

Re: Vestigial Features (was Re: CRLF (was: Re: A modest proposal))

2013-01-24 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Jan 24, 2013, at 04:41, wor...@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) wrote: From: Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org I think in protocol evolution (as well as computer system evolution in general) we are missing triggers to get rid of vestigial features. That's quite true. Let us start by

Re: Vestigial Features (was Re: CRLF (was: Re: A modest proposal))

2013-01-24 Thread Carsten Bormann
This is my last comment on the CRLF issue, which I just used as the (for me) obvious example for what I was trying to say. On Jan 24, 2013, at 02:20, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: Oh, my. This is getting to be interesting. I had no direct interaction with or insight into the ASA

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-bmwg-sip-bench-term-08.txt (Terminology for Benchmarking Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Networking Devices) to Informational RFC

2013-01-24 Thread Robert Sparks
Reviews of draft-ietf-bmwg-sip-bench-term-08 and draft-ietf-bmwg-sip-bench-meth-08 Summary: These drafts are not ready for publication as RFCs. First, some of the text in these documents shows signs of being old, and the working group may have been staring at them so long that they've become

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-bmwg-sip-bench-meth-08.txt (Methodology for Benchmarking SIP Networking Devices) to Informational RFC

2013-01-24 Thread Robert Sparks
Please see my response to the last call message for draft-ietf-bmwg-sip-bench-term. That review covered this document and that one at the same time. RjS On 1/16/13 3:47 PM, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Benchmarking Methodology WG (bmwg) to consider the following

RE: Last Call: draft-ietf-opsawg-oam-overview-08.txt (An Overview of Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) Mechanisms) to Informational RFC

2013-01-24 Thread Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
This is a useful and well-written document and I support its publication. I have a few comments which I would be glad if they were addressed: 1. I believe that the document must include reference to TRILL OAM, referencing draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-04 (which is close to approval) and including a

Re: FW: Last Call: draft-farrell-ft-03.txt (A Fast-Track way to RFC with Running Code) to Experimental RFC

2013-01-24 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 16:31 -0500 Thomas Narten nar...@us.ibm.com wrote: FWIW, I share Joe's concerns. And Stephen's responses don't really change my mind. This document seems to have a bit of missing the forest for the trees. In the overall scheme of things, I don't believe the

Re: TSV-DIR review of draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments-03

2013-01-24 Thread Joe Touch
FWIW, this document includes text that somewhat defeats the previous recommendations of TCPM regarding RFC5927. RFC5927 includes specific text indicating that the techniques described are being documented, but that the TCP standard was NOT being changed to include those ICMP validation

Re: Vestigial Features (was Re: CRLF (was: Re: A modest proposal))

2013-01-24 Thread ned+ietf
On Jan 24, 2013, at 04:41, wor...@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) wrote: From: Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org I think in protocol evolution (as well as computer system evolution in general) we are missing triggers to get rid of vestigial features. That's quite true. Let us start by

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-tcpm-initcwnd-06.txt (Increasing TCP's Initial Window) to Experimental RFC

2013-01-24 Thread Matt Mathis
Magnus, In behalf of the draft-ietf-tcpm-initcwnd authors I publicly address the comments in your IETF LC review of draft-ietf-tcpm-initcwnd-06. In regards to interactions between IW and real time traffic (your points 12 below and echoed in Robert Spark's DISCUSS): By design TCP creates queues

Re: Vestigial Features (was Re: CRLF (was: Re: A modest proposal))

2013-01-24 Thread Martin Rex
Dale R. Worley wrote: From: Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org I think in protocol evolution (as well as computer system evolution in general) we are missing triggers to get rid of vestigial features. That's quite true. Let us start by rationalizing the spelling and punctuation of

Re: TSV-DIR review of draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments-03

2013-01-24 Thread Fernando Gont
Joe, On 01/24/2013 04:35 PM, Joe Touch wrote: FWIW, this document includes text that somewhat defeats the previous recommendations of TCPM regarding RFC5927. RFC5927 includes specific text indicating that the techniques described are being documented, but that the TCP standard was NOT being

Re: TSV-DIR review of draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments-03

2013-01-24 Thread Joe Touch
On 1/24/2013 1:24 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: Joe, On 01/24/2013 04:35 PM, Joe Touch wrote: FWIW, this document includes text that somewhat defeats the previous recommendations of TCPM regarding RFC5927. RFC5927 includes specific text indicating that the techniques described are being

Re: TSV-DIR review of draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments-03

2013-01-24 Thread Allison Mankin
Joe and Fernando, I just looked at how RFC 5297 is handled in the draft, to be that other pair of eyes. The first fix is right, to remove reference to RFC 5297 from that sentence entirely. Allison On Jan 24, 2013 7:19 PM, Joe Touch to...@isi.edu wrote: On 1/24/2013 1:24 PM, Fernando Gont

Re: TSV-DIR review of draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments-03

2013-01-24 Thread Joe Touch
Thanks - I wasn't positive about the second one. Glad to have it resolved quickly. Joe On 1/24/2013 5:57 PM, Allison Mankin wrote: Joe and Fernando, I just looked at how RFC 5297 is handled in the draft, to be that other pair of eyes. The first fix is right, to remove reference to RFC 5297

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2013-01-24 Thread Thomas Narten
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Last Call: draft-ietf-sidr-algorithm-agility-11.txt (Algorithm Agility Procedure for RPKI.) to Best Current Practice

2013-01-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Secure Inter-Domain Routing WG (sidr) to consider the following document: - 'Algorithm Agility Procedure for RPKI.' draft-ietf-sidr-algorithm-agility-11.txt as Best Current Practice The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits

Protocol Action: 'Multi-party Chat Using the Message Session Relay Protocol (MSRP)' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-simple-chat-18.txt)

2013-01-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Multi-party Chat Using the Message Session Relay Protocol (MSRP)' (draft-ietf-simple-chat-18.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions Working Group. The IESG