Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 20 aug 2013, at 07:21, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: The first is that there now a number of other apps using TXT records, with no problems, because they are stored under scoping nodes (underscore-prefaced names). This approach might be aesthetically displeasing, but it

Re: [Dime] Last Call: draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-11.txt (Realm-Based Redirection In Diameter) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread Stefan Winter
Hi, When relying on S-NAPTR (RFC3958), redirection is only possible inside sub-domains of the original domain name. I don't think that's true. RFC3958 has exactly this use case in it's first example section (2.2): a domain example.com redirects service EM:protA to another domain, namely

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread Dave Crocker
On 8/19/2013 11:33 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote: Reason for this is that the RR with an underscored prefix MIGHT end up in a different zone than the record without. Patrik, Please clarify. I don't know what you mean by the 'with' and 'without' references. And as long as I'm asking for

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 20 aug 2013, at 09:14, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: On 8/19/2013 11:33 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote: Reason for this is that the RR with an underscored prefix MIGHT end up in a different zone than the record without. Patrik, Please clarify. I don't know what you mean by the

Re: Academic and open source rate

2013-08-20 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Hola Arturo, At 07:34 19-08-2013, Arturo Servin wrote: Academic might work. Open source not so much as other mentioned. Does Big Corporation doing Open Source apply? I was tempted to propose non-profit, but

Re: [Dime] Last Call: draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-11.txt (Realm-Based Redirection In Diameter) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread Stefan Winter
Hi, Thank you for quick feedback. I agree with your analysis. I think that we should provide more info on the possible use of S-NAPTR for realm-based redirection. Taking into account your proposal, what do you think of the following proposed changes: The new text reads pretty well. One

Re: TCPMUX (RFC 1078) status

2013-08-20 Thread Martin Sustrik
On 16/08/13 20:07, Joe Touch wrote: On 8/15/2013 10:38 PM, Martin Sustrik wrote: On 16/08/13 03:23, Wesley Eddy wrote: There are semantics issues to; see draft-touch-tcp-portnames-00 for information (this is being revised for resubmission shortly, FWIW). I totally agree. In fact, in the

Re: [spfbis] SPF TYPE support

2013-08-20 Thread Hector Santos
On 8/19/2013 7:42 PM, S Moonesamy wrote: At 14:10 19-08-2013, Hector Santos wrote: I'm having a hard time with both sides of the argument, especially the supposed existence of an interop problem which seems to only highlight how to procedurally stump the SPF type advocates with a error

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread Hector Santos
On 8/20/2013 1:12 AM, S Moonesamy wrote: There is a message from the Responsible Area Director at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/spfbis/current/msg02167.html which might shine some light about that part of the charter. Both RR Type 16 and RR Type 99 are in use on the Internet. Tony

Re: [spfbis] prefixed names, was Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt

2013-08-20 Thread John Levine
Newsgroups: iecc.lists.ietf.ietf From: John Levine jo...@iecc.com Subject: Re: [spfbis] prefixed names, was Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt Summary: Expires: References: 5212fcef.80...@dcrocker.net 55459829-933f-4157-893a-f90552d44...@frobbit.se 5213174d.7080...@dcrocker.net

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:14:21AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: And as long as I'm asking for more explanation, given the number of years of use the construct has had and for the number of different applications, where has the problem (whatever you mean specifically) been seen? Quite apart

Re: TCPMUX (RFC 1078) status

2013-08-20 Thread Joe Touch
On 8/20/2013 5:35 AM, Martin Sustrik wrote: If you want a multiplexer to serve different connections from a single service port, you need a multiplexer server (tcpmux daemon, websockets, whatever you want to call it). Ack. The web server is a problem though, because you typically don't have

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread Dotzero
The issue Måns Nilsson raises was discussed extensively on the SPFbis list prior to as well as during last call on the list and I believe the appropriate decision was reached by the working group. If there is any doubt in the minds of the IESG regarding whether the working group reached the

RE: Protocol Action: 'RADIUS Option for DHCPv6 Relay Agent' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-radius-opt-14.txt)

2013-08-20 Thread ATEC
Could anyone tell me how to remove my email from this distrubution? -Original Message- From: ietf-announce-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-announce-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of The IESG Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 6:07 PM To: IETF-Announce Cc: dhc mailing list; dhc chair; RFC Editor

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile-04.txt (Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6) Profile for 3GPP Mobile Devices) to Informational RFC

2013-08-20 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org wrote: This document specifies an IPv6 profile for 3GPP mobile devices. It lists the set of features a 3GPP mobile device is to be compliant with to connect to an IPv6-only or dual-stack wireless network

RE: [Dime] Last Call: draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-11.txt (Realm-Based Redirection In Diameter) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread lionel.morand
Hi Stephan, When relying on S-NAPTR (RFC3958), redirection is only possible inside sub-domains of the original domain name. This is a restriction compared to the use of normal NAPTR and REGEXP. The following recommendations can be also found in the RFC6733: The domain suffixes in the NAPTR

RE: [Dime] Last Call: draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-11.txt (Realm-Based Redirection In Diameter) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread lionel.morand
Works for me. Regards, Lionel -Message d'origine- De : Stefan Winter [mailto:stefan.win...@restena.lu] Envoyé : mardi 20 août 2013 13:37 À : MORAND Lionel OLNC/OLN Cc : d...@ietf.org; 'IETF Discussion Mailing List' Objet : Re: [Dime] Last Call:

RE: [Dime] Last Call: draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-11.txt (Realm-Based Redirection In Diameter) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread lionel.morand
Hi Stephan, Thank you for quick feedback. I agree with your analysis. I think that we should provide more info on the possible use of S-NAPTR for realm-based redirection. Taking into account your proposal, what do you think of the following proposed changes: Abstract: OLD: However, in

Re: [spfbis] prefixed names, was Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt

2013-08-20 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 20130820144548.73129.qm...@joyce.lan, John Levine writes: Newsgroups: iecc.lists.ietf.ietf From: John Levine jo...@iecc.com Subject: Re: [spfbis] prefixed names, was Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408b is-19.txt Summary: Expires: References: 5212fcef.80...@dcrocker.net

Re: [spfbis] prefixed names, was Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt

2013-08-20 Thread Dave Crocker
On 8/20/2013 8:12 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: In message 20130820144548.73129.qm...@joyce.lan, John Levine writes: ... The two following MIGHT NOT be in the same zone: foo.example. IN X RDATAX _bar.foo.example. IN TXT RDATAY Since prefixed names have never been used for anything other than

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 08:54:02AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: In other words, the specific technical limitations being noted are unfortunate but (so far) not serious. You should explain that to my employer's support department. In any case, I don't think this topic is directly relevant to the

Re: [spfbis] SPF TYPE support

2013-08-20 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Hector, At 06:30 20-08-2013, Hector Santos wrote: I have a few questions and points: May I ask why was the above was not an area for clarification as oppose as the presumed stated technical reason for removal? The SPFBIS WG had a session at IETF 83. The minutes for that session is at

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Hector, At 07:16 20-08-2013, Hector Santos wrote: This doesn't seem to be correct. My apology if I don't follow or see the logic. The only real issue as it was since day zero in MARID was the infrastructure support for recursive passthru queries which is what RFC 3597 (Handling of Unknown

Re: [dnsext] Deprecating SPF

2013-08-20 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Patrik, I am copying the message to ieft@ as there is an ongoing Last Call. At 08:28 20-08-2013, Patrik Fältström wrote: The consensus related to how to fix RFC 4408 will be very rough. That is clear. And I feel sorry for responsible AD and IESG to be forced to make a decision that such a

Re: [dnsext] Deprecating SPF

2013-08-20 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 20 aug 2013, at 20:36, S Moonesamy sm+i...@elandsys.com wrote: It would be better to have the discussion on the ietf@ mailing list as that's the venue which the IESG identified for last Call comments. Understood, and thanks. The reason why I did not post there at first was that a) I did

RE: [CCAMP] Last Call: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-11.txt (Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Extensions for the evolving G.709 Optical Transport Networks Contr

2013-08-20 Thread Adrian Farrel
As sponsoring AD I have the following last call comments I hope you will take on board. Thanks, Adrian Please fix the two lines that are too long (see idnits) --- Please expand OTN on first use in the main text. Please expand TS on its first use. --- 6.2 The ingress node of an LSP MAY

Last call of draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19

2013-08-20 Thread Patrik Fältström
As the bottle is opened, I hereby state my objection to Section 3.1 of draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19 for the reasons explained below. I do agree (as stated below) that the section of RFC 4408 that specify how to use both SPF and TXT resource record types include an error as it does not lead to

Re: Call for Review of draft-rfced-rfcxx00-retired, List of Internet Official Protocol Standards: Replaced by an Online Database

2013-08-20 Thread Pete Resnick
On 8/15/13 2:06 PM, SM wrote: At 11:48 14-08-2013, IAB Chair wrote: This is a call for review of List of Internet Official Protocol Standards: Replaced by an Online Database prior to potential approval as an IAB stream RFC. My guess is that draft-rfced-rfcxx00-retired cannot update RFC 2026.

Re: [dnsext] Deprecating SPF

2013-08-20 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Patrik, At 11:45 20-08-2013, Patrik Fältström wrote: The reason why I did not post there at first was that a) I did not feel I had followed the rules laid out for discussions [read all messages in the mailing list archives] and b) the discussion on the dnsext list was more general on

Re: Call for Review of draft-rfced-rfcxx00-retired, List of Internet Official Protocol Standards: Replaced by an Online Database

2013-08-20 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
I am having trouble understanding this discussion. If the data is in a database then surely the production of RFC xx00 standards series is simply running an automated query on the database and emitting the result as an RFC?

Re: Call for Review of draft-rfced-rfcxx00-retired, List of Internet Official Protocol Standards: Replaced by an Online Database

2013-08-20 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 14:01 -0500 Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: On 8/15/13 2:06 PM, SM wrote: At 11:48 14-08-2013, IAB Chair wrote: This is a call for review of List of Internet Official Protocol Standards: Replaced by an Online Database prior to potential

Re: Call for Review of draft-rfced-rfcxx00-retired, List of Internet Official Protocol Standards: Replaced by an Online Database

2013-08-20 Thread SM
Hi Pete, At 12:01 20-08-2013, Pete Resnick wrote: The IESG and the IAB had an email exchange about these two points. Moving a document from Standard to Historic is really an IETF thing to do. And it would be quite simple for the IETF to say, We are no longer asking for the 'Official Protocol

Re: Call for Review of draft-rfced-rfcxx00-retired, List of Internet Official Protocol Standards: Replaced by an Online Database

2013-08-20 Thread Pete Resnick
On 8/20/13 3:26 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: If the data is in a database then surely the production of RFC xx00 standards series is simply running an automated query on the database and emitting the result as an RFC? I'm sure that such a tool could be created. To date, I believe the

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
From a pure protocol point of view the SPF record does have one major advantage over TXT and that is in the use of wildcard records. In short a wildcard on a TXT record for SPF is going to have impact on every other scheme that overloads TXT, of which there are many. SPF does have a mechanism to

Re: Call for Review of draft-rfced-rfcxx00-retired, List of Internet Official Protocol Standards: Replaced by an Online Database

2013-08-20 Thread Tony Hansen
On 8/20/2013 3:01 PM, Pete Resnick wrote: On 8/15/13 2:06 PM, SM wrote: At 11:48 14-08-2013, IAB Chair wrote: This is a call for review of List of Internet Official Protocol Standards: Replaced by an Online Database prior to potential approval as an IAB stream RFC. My guess is that

Re: Call for Review of draft-rfced-rfcxx00-retired, List of Internet Official Protocol Standards: Replaced by an Online Database

2013-08-20 Thread Pete Resnick
On 8/20/13 4:21 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: I support this. But it also raises a couple other questions. What about rfcxx99 series, published along with the rfcxx00 series? Were they ever formally retired? That's not an IETF matter. There's no STD on this. There's nothing (AFAICT) in a BCP

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile-04.txt (Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6) Profile for 3GPP Mobile Devices) to Informational RFC

2013-08-20 Thread james woodyatt
On Aug 20, 2013, at 02:39 , Lorenzo Colitti lore...@google.com wrote: [...] It seems to me that the sheer length of the list, and the fact that is not prioritized, create a real risk that implementors will simply write it off as wishful thinking or even shy away in terror. [...] My views

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread Dave Crocker
On 8/20/2013 9:08 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 08:54:02AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: In other words, the specific technical limitations being noted are unfortunate but (so far) not serious. You should explain that to my employer's support department. In any case, I

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-20 Thread Andrew Sullivan
No hat. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 05:16:56PM -0400, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: From a pure protocol point of view the SPF record does have one major advantage over TXT and that is in the use of wildcard records. This is an extremely interesting point, and I'm ashamed to admit I hadn't really

Re: Last call: draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-16.txt

2013-08-20 Thread Andrew Allen
Martin Further to our conversation on this topic in Berlin I now respond formerly on the list. 3GPP has defined the mobile terminal as performing the UA role since the very beginning of IMS. Therefore the mapping between the terminal and the instance ID in IMS is a one to one relationship.

Last Call: draft-ietf-mediactrl-call-flows-13.txt (Media Control Channel Framework (CFW) Call Flow Examples) to Informational RFC

2013-08-20 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Media Server Control WG (mediactrl) to consider the following document: - 'Media Control Channel Framework (CFW) Call Flow Examples' draft-ietf-mediactrl-call-flows-13.txt as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and