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On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:38:21 PST, Tony Hain said:
all space currently considered lost. Given that IANA allocated 9 /8's over a
6 month period this year, coupled with the fact that only 78 /8's remain in
the useful part of the pool (ie: 52 month burn out),
They
Nathaniel Borenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This would be a very interesting philosophical argument if in fact
what we were discussing was something that could take a significant
bite out of spam. In the absence of such an ability, however, the
real question is whether user accounts
. If needed, just do twice as many slides instead of
shrinking your font to fit in more words.
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inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.
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A mac calling itself pb (IP address 130.129.1.182, mac address
00:02:2d:21:28:5a) is requesting DHCP leases every few seconds on the
wireless lan. If the owner of this mac could please come to the
terminal room so we can diagnose their problem, we would appreciate it.
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Spencer Dawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It seems to be a well-kept secret, but there IS a page of
Concluded Working Groups at
http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/OLD/index.html (and accessible
from the Working Groups page). So the paragraph should point to
this as well (just in case a
! You really don't want to accidently
change networks -- ruins your sessions...
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J. Noel Chiappa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As you seem to have forgotten since the last time I pointed this out to you,
MobileIPv6 represents a fully-worked-out design which separates identity
I haven't forgotten. I simply disagree that it was a useful point.
I guess you're happy to push a
Pekka Savola [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Seriously, couldn't we cut this crap?
At least when I go to the meetings, I can conveniently toss the Note Well
statement away, I really don't want to read it N times for every IETF m-l
I subscribe to.
The fact that you're finding yourself annoyed by
Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As it looks like the long term solution will be some kind of
identifier/locator separation which will have a huge impact on all
aspects of IPv6, I think this topic deserves attention from a wider
audience than it's getting now.
V Guruprasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please check out http://infs.sourceforge.net for a novel INternet
FileSystem (INFS) package which appears to be ideally suited to
cell phones and other small devices or appliances. By pushing the
DNS resolution to the kernel, INFS means to achieve the
?
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with nothing at all. The Return-Path: is generally the surest way
to know which of the lists each of the messages was sent to. I've
tried lots of things over the years, and Return-Path: is what works
the best. I'm on a few hundred mailing lists so the matter is somewhat
important to me.
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list decided to change its MTA or list manager software that
week. Having all the spam in one place reduces the time it takes to
kill it by a big factor, which is important when you get a huge
number.
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is either consistent
for all messages sent to a list, nor that it is uniquely associated
with a list.
In practice, however, both are true, almost 100% of the time. Even
when various bounce schemes are used, simple regexps almost always
catch them.
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Choudhary, Abdur R (Rahim) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you for the input. I did not mean to suggest that there ought
to be competing Security Policies at layer 3. What I did mean to
suggest is that, the Security is a fairly dynamic field at this
time. We expect that the requirements and
borderlt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there anything official that can be done to someone who is copying
names off of a blue sheet?
Go up to them and start yelling, loudly, in the middle of the meeting
if need be. Then take the sheets from them and forward them on. The
blue sheets are not
I was wondering who at our host was going to be running the v6
router/tunnels for the SLC IETF meeting...
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picture has changed is
that there was a lot of interest but no way to do anything about it
until now.
Perry
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to keep the net working now, since we
don't know when they might deign to arrive.
(And yes, Noel, we know that you've already described the complete
solution and if only we would read the documents which we've all
ignored so callously...)
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J. Noel Chiappa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: Perry E. Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
People frequently propose endpoint identifiers and routing
identifiers be separated but no one has ever come up with a worked
proposal that was less flawed than the current mechanism
designed it.
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the cuff,
I don't expect anything to show up in network statistics for a year or
two, but I'll know better soon.
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list is counter-productive
and childish.
Your opinion is noted.
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tag on an option with such information as you enter a
routing cloud that needs it, or one could use encapsulation
mechanisms, putting the data around the packet.
In other words, v6 has neither helped nor hurt the routing problem --
it is orthogonal.
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to use
translator boxes anyway, so there is no giant reason to use NAT boxes
instead of v4-v6 gateways, but one has the advantage that one gets
real address space and can actually get at the individual machines
over v6, which is very hard to do in nested NAT world.
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have them.
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-- never mind that
they are unrelated issues. As you note, there is no distinction
between solving the global routing problem in a v4 or v6 context. The
same algorithms can be used for either. If new algorithms are
developed, they can be deployed for either.
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a v6 network
with a real address space over the NAT mess is easy, and results in
being able to actually get to all the nodes being managed.
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is no
longer a frill -- many of us do our daily work over the v6 network and
need it to be up and stable. I'm typing this right now over an ssh
over v6 connection.
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attention to the
bounce messages.
Perry
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Neil Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perhaps I missed it -- this has what to do with Internet engineering?
Do you want your internet designed with permanent surveillance
capacities to meet a temporary exigency? Then look no further -- your
legislation has arrived.
Perry
Hopefully, the venue of XML in the ASN.1 community will result in more
open source PER runtime objects...
I can only shudder at the thought at what sort of monster the child of
XML and ASN.1 would be...
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James P. Salsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It took a few seconds to ignore the spurts of spam that started
the recent mailing list policy threads, but I am now dozens of
messages behind, trying to read and carefully consider all of
the resulting insightful and witty comments.
What
Andy Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There appears to be a lot of spam on this list at the moment. Most of it
appears to be coming from addresses which probably are not subscribed to the
list.
If the list posting policy is 'open' can it be changed to 'subscribed
addresses' only?
but don't get the mail. Works beautifully.
Perry
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ver telnet, in the www.ora.com
Turtle PPP book.)
That works great for server farms! Great idea!
Perry
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Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Keith Moore wrote:
...
Also, the risk of having your machine serial number leaked to the
net (as in stateless address autoconfiguration) is subtly different
from the inherent risk of having a stable IP address. One might
quite reasonably be
Ted Gavin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Those persons who are responsible for managing Microsoft Exchange
implementations should know that Out-Of-Office responses, as well as
anti-virus application auto-notifications can be given permission to
send to the Internet, just as they can be DENIED
ernet. That's the problem --
misconfiguration." Why is this next message NOT an example of
misconfiguration?
--- Start of forwarded message ---
From: "Klein, Ed" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Perry E. Metzger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Denial of Service by Spamware?
D
Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
actually, if it is a delivery failure notification, 1123 5.3.3 would seem
to apply. mail bounces are to be sent to the MAIL FROM: not the original
sender. or even if they were sent to the from: we would not see them.
this bleep has been designed to be
on them, and I realized that none of them did
particularly better.)
.pm
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Keith Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
to make v6 work tarks end users more work than v4
if "v4" includes dealing with an increasingly severe shortage of
address space (which sooner or later implies forced renumbering)
and/or tying together multiple NATted networks, it's not at all
"J. Noel Chiappa" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: "Perry E. Metzger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Several layers of NAT has become common
This is have a hard time fathoming - not that I'm doubting that people do it,
mind.
Imagine a large number of companies t
of against it for
technical reasons?
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running
Unix based systems, but that will change in coming years.
Deploying solutions like this means that v6 will be able to smoothly
grow even without things like www.cnn.com being accessible over v6. It
appears this phenomenon is already occurring.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Given that RFC2267 is over 2 years old now, what *do* you suggest the network
community at large do to motivate the sites that still haven't
implemented it?
I think a simple motivation is appearing on the horizon. Lawyers are
revving up their word processors as we
Steve Coya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"unsuscribe", etc.). I understand this is very easy to do in majordomo and
that we have numerous majordomo experts on the list who would be happy to
help out.
I know that Steve is a busy man, but would it be possible to implement this
soon?
Never
Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A /48 leaves 16 bits for subnetting, before you hit the 64 bits of flatspace.
And remember, if we ever need to, we can start subnetting the bottom
64 bits, at the loss of one form of stateless autoconf (which I'm
starting to find, in
Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As more and more people switch to this configuration, they'll start
finding themselves talking to more and more things over the net
natively, and fewer and fewer through the translator. Suddenly,
they'll discover they *do* have globally
Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
get real. a LOT of folk have deployed nat, hundreds every day. it's easy.
it solves the customer's perception of their problem. it's not expensive.
It is *astonishingly* expensive. It only seems cheap until you have to
maintain it. And yes, I'm going by
Daniel Senie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is *astonishingly* expensive. It only seems cheap until you have to
maintain it. And yes, I'm going by Actual Live Customer Experience In
Actual Live Large Companies.
The counter argument is that for the Home Networking case, which is a
HUGE
Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
what we are talking about is the survival of the Internet.
you forgot the news at 11 part
Actually, to a large extent, the "internet" as "transparent end to end
catanet" *is* dead. It has been dead ever since the average company
was forced to use
Walt Lazear [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This came up in a discussion of "convergence" of voice,
video, and data. Someone woke up to the fact that if we put
all those services on one LAN infrastructure, then that LAN
MUST BE UP all the time. What is the cost to keep up all
the infrastructure
Ian King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But then again, I would expect that a large corporation would see the need
to own a large address space, rather than attempting to "pseudo-expand" its
address space through the use of NAT.
You are assuming they could get such a space. They can't. No one can
Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, let's not focus on Bill's data. Frankly, I haven't seen any data
on this topic from any source that really convinces me that it
means much. All I know is that we have thousands of sites using
private address space, which completely falsifies
"Fleischman, Eric W" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1) If we effectively ran out of addresses when RFC 1597 was
published, has running out of addresses hurt us in any way?
I count "hurt" in dollars. The answer is yes. A client of mine just
spent millions of dollars because of our current broken
Ian King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And yes, additional IP addresses were going to cost dramatically more. NAT
was a simple case of economics... but on the other hand, I don't experience
any "lack" because of it.
You aren't a large corporation trying to deal with huge numbers of
private
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