Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-06 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis Date: Sun, May 05, 2013 at 11:01:02PM -0400 Quoting Scott Kitterman (sc...@kitterman.com): Personally, I'm quite surprised that doubling the DNS queries associated with SPF for the foreseeable future is a meh issue to DNS people

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-06 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/05/2013 11:06 PM, Måns Nilsson wrote: Subject: Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis Date: Sun, May 05, 2013 at 11:01:02PM -0400 Quoting Scott Kitterman (sc...@kitterman.com): Personally, I'm quite surprised that doubling the DNS queries associated with SPF for the foreseeable

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-05 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Mark, At 15:57 04-05-2013, Mark Andrews wrote: The publisher can choose to interoperate with everyone by publishing both. The client side can choose to interoperate with everyone by looking for both. Both side can choose their level of interoperability. There is no bug. Thanks for the

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-05 Thread Hector Santos
On 5/5/2013 11:58 AM, S Moonesamy wrote: Hi Mark, At 15:57 04-05-2013, Mark Andrews wrote: The publisher can choose to interoperate with everyone by publishing both. The client side can choose to interoperate with everyone by looking for both. Both side can choose their level of

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-05 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 6.2.5.6.2.20130505082013.0adbb...@elandnews.com, S Moonesamy write s: Hi Mark, At 15:57 04-05-2013, Mark Andrews wrote: The publisher can choose to interoperate with everyone by publishing both. The client side can choose to interoperate with everyone by looking for both.

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message 6.2.5.6.2.20130505082013.0adbb...@elandnews.com, S Moonesamy write s: Hi Mark, At 15:57 04-05-2013, Mark Andrews wrote: The publisher can choose to interoperate with everyone by publishing both. The client side can choose to interoperate with

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-05 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 42523d2d-85c6-4e6d-b2a7-6791a0e5d...@email.android.com, Scott Kitt erman writes: Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message 6.2.5.6.2.20130505082013.0adbb...@elandnews.com, S Moonesamy write s: Hi Mark, At 15:57 04-05-2013, Mark Andrews wrote: The publisher can

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, May 06, 2013 10:10:40 AM Mark Andrews wrote: In message 42523d2d-85c6-4e6d-b2a7-6791a0e5d...@email.android.com, Scott Kitterman writes: Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message 6.2.5.6.2.20130505082013.0adbb...@elandnews.com, S Moonesamy write s: Hi Mark, At

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-05 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 1962766.G247B9R6HU@scott-latitude-e6320, Scott Kitterman writes: On Monday, May 06, 2013 10:10:40 AM Mark Andrews wrote: In message 42523d2d-85c6-4e6d-b2a7-6791a0e5d...@email.android.com, Scott Kitterman writes: Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-05 Thread Mark Andrews
And if one is worried about keeping automatically generated records in sync add auto=yes as the first modifier to the automatically generated record. The two records will remain semantically identical. -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-04 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Doug, At 16:19 03-05-2013, Doug Barton wrote: I am not saying that the WG members (or chairs) should be given the wet-noodle treatment over having reached a bad decision, but what is cross-area review for if not to catch cases where the WG echo chamber/tunnel vision/what have you --

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-04 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 6.2.5.6.2.20130504095840.0d4a9...@resistor.net, S Moonesamy writes: Hi Doug, At 16:19 03-05-2013, Doug Barton wrote: I am not saying that the WG members (or chairs) should be given the wet-noodle treatment over having reached a bad decision, but what is cross-area review for if

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-04 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 20130504221332.5e8de33e7...@drugs.dv.isc.org, Mark Andrews writes: In message 6.2.5.6.2.20130504095840.0d4a9...@resistor.net, S Moonesamy writes: Hi Doug, At 16:19 03-05-2013, Doug Barton wrote: I am not saying that the WG members (or chairs) should be given the

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-04 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 20130504225748.68de733e7...@drugs.dv.isc.org, Mark Andrews writes: In message 20130504221332.5e8de33e7...@drugs.dv.isc.org, Mark Andrews writes: In message 6.2.5.6.2.20130504095840.0d4a9...@resistor.net, S Moonesamy writes: Hi Doug, At 16:19 03-05-2013, Doug Barton

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-03 Thread Doug Barton
Andrew (and Pete, since he raised a similar issue), On 05/02/2013 12:50 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Doug, No hat. On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 12:22:03PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: Given that you can be 100% confident that the issue will be raised during IETF LC, wouldn't it be better to hash it

A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis (was: [spfbis] [dnsext] Obsoleting SPF RRTYPE)

2013-05-02 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Alessandro, Doug, My task is to keep draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis moving forward and to maintains a critical and technical perspective of the draft. The two weeks Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-14 was announced on April 9, 2013 [1]. The document shepherd review was

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 5/2/2013 9:02 AM, S Moonesamy wrote: If anyone has any objection I suggest raising it during the Last Call. Given that you can be 100% confident that the issue will be raised during IETF LC, wouldn't it be better to hash it out in the WG (as we have attempted to do)? Or is the WG's

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-02 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Doug, No hat. On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 12:22:03PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: Given that you can be 100% confident that the issue will be raised during IETF LC, wouldn't it be better to hash it out in the WG (as we have attempted to do)? Or is the WG's position, we have no intention of dealing

Re: A note about draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis

2013-05-02 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Doug, At 12:22 02-05-2013, Doug Barton wrote: Given that you can be 100% confident that the issue will be raised during IETF LC, wouldn't it be better to hash it out in the WG (as we have attempted to do)? Or is the WG's position, we have no intention of dealing with this unless we're