Re: A state of spin ... presented in ASCII

2010-03-22 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Ohata-san, I am finding your constant insults and putdowns of other people to be very tiresome. Please get this into your head: it is possible that someone might disagree with you for reasons other than ignorance. Each time I read one of your replies you are again attacking someone as ignorant

Re: A state of spin ... presented in ASCII

2010-03-21 Thread Doug Ewell
Masataka Ohta mohta at necom830 dot hpcl dot titech dot ac dot jp wrote: If your scope is limited within UK, FR and DE, Latin-1 could be usable, within Europe (including countries using European languages/characters), unicode could be. But, if your scope includes CN and JP, unicode is

Re: A state of spin ... presented in ASCII

2010-03-21 Thread Masataka Ohta
Doug Ewell wrote: For more information on this enlightening and forward-thinking approach to internationalization, the interested reader may be directed to RFC 1815. Thank you for a good reference. Today, people in Japan receiving unicode encoded Chinese mail do suffer and complain. Many

Re: A state of spin ... presented in ASCII

2010-03-21 Thread Doug Ewell
Masataka Ohta mohta at necom830 dot hpcl dot titech dot ac dot jp wrote: Many Kanji characters in JIS are displayed with Japanese font while many other Kanji characters not in JIS are some Chinese font, because of lack of information of unicode, which has been obvious long before I wrote

Re: A state of spin ... presented in ASCII

2010-03-20 Thread SM
Ohta san, At 13:06 19-03-10, Masataka Ohta wrote: It merely means IETF documents MUST BE internationally legible, that is, pure ASCII. Actually no, the text does not refer to IETF documents. But that could be misunderstood because of the subject line I used or because of the thread the

Re: A state of spin ... presented in ASCII

2010-03-20 Thread Masataka Ohta
SM wrote: It merely means IETF documents MUST BE internationally legible, that is, pure ASCII. Actually no, the text does not refer to IETF documents. Then, it depends on scope of the document and whether you need bi-directional communication or not (here after, bi-directional communication

Re: A state of spin ... presented in ASCII

2010-03-20 Thread Michael Dillon
The idea that Knowledge Representation must occur in English means those that speak it poorly, and many others fail to reach the people who are part of the constituency and as such they fall short of the IETF's capabilities to deliver. They also may actually become victims of the language

A state of spin ... presented in ASCII (was: Make HTML and PDF more prominent, was: Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII)

2010-03-19 Thread SM
At 04:02 19-03-10, Dave Cridland wrote: The IAB made a clear statement that we need i18n support, yet over a decade after RFC 2130 or RFC 2825, the RFCs themselves still have a strict ASCII limitation. Sure, that wasn't mentioned at the time, but does nobody else find this plain shameful? As

Re: A state of spin ... presented in ASCII

2010-03-19 Thread Masataka Ohta
SM wrote: The IAB made a clear statement that we need i18n support, yet over a decade after RFC 2130 or RFC 2825, the RFCs themselves still have a strict ASCII limitation. Sure, that wasn't mentioned at the time, but does nobody else find this plain shameful? As seen in an I-D: The

Re: A state of spin ... presented in ASCII

2010-03-19 Thread todd glassey
On 3/19/2010 1:06 PM, Masataka Ohta wrote: SM wrote: The IAB made a clear statement that we need i18n support, yet over a decade after RFC 2130 or RFC 2825, the RFCs themselves still have a strict ASCII limitation. Sure, that wasn't mentioned at the time, but does nobody else find this

Re: A state of spin ... presented in ASCII

2010-03-19 Thread Masataka Ohta
todd glassey wrote: It merely means IETF documents MUST BE internationally legible, that is, pure ASCII. No, it means that they must be internationally available. And since many people DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH mandating them to be in English eliminates those party's participation. It's a lot