A tangent Re: Some data Re: Again: Number of Firewall/NAT Users

2001-05-03 Thread grenville armitage
i know this thread died a few moons ago, and wont help anyone guess the height limit of warships under bridges, but in case anyone's interested in a rough guess of where people play net games from, along with a slighly revised estimate of NAT usage, i've crunched some numbers and placed results

Re: Some data Re: Again: Number of Firewall/NAT Users

2001-03-07 Thread Jon Crowcroft
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kyle Lussier typ ed: "is anyone aware of any estimations of fraction of Internet users who are behind firewalls and NATs?" How about for business users? If the assumption can be made that most Q3 players are home based (which would probably have a lower

Some data Re: Again: Number of Firewall/NAT Users

2001-03-05 Thread Grenville Armitage
Jiri Kuthan wrote: [..] I would like to re-raise the question: "is anyone aware of any estimations of fraction of Internet users who are behind firewalls and NATs?" So, this question piqued my interest. Figured I'd take a bash at estimating NAT usage using the online QuakeIII

Again: Number of Firewall/NAT Users

2001-01-23 Thread Jiri Kuthan
Hello, as the discussion departed from my original question to the favorite discussion on NAT/ipv6/etc architectural issues, I would like to re-raise the question: "is anyone aware of any estimations of fraction of Internet users who are behind firewalls and NATs?" Thanks, Jiri

Re: Again: Number of Firewall/NAT Users

2001-01-23 Thread Frank Solensky
Jiri Kuthan wrote: Hello, as the discussion departed from my original question to the favorite discussion on NAT/ipv6/etc architectural issues, I would like to re-raise the question: "is anyone aware of any estimations of fraction of Internet users who are behind firewalls and NATs?"

Re: Again: Number of Firewall/NAT Users

2001-01-23 Thread Paul Hoffman / IMC
At 12:10 PM -0500 1/23/01, Frank Solensky wrote: One could ask a sample of administrators and extrapolate the results but, again, the problem becomes how confident you could be of the results if you don't get a very significant response rate The problem is *much* worse than that. You have to be

Re: Again: Number of Firewall/NAT Users

2001-01-23 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Exactly. More or less by definition, since NATs and firewalls hide stuff, we can't possibly measure the stuff they hide. And since they are hiding stuff for good reason, administrators more or less by definition will not answer accurately. So it can't be measured. My hand waving estimate is that

RE: Again: Number of Firewall/NAT Users

2001-01-23 Thread David Higginbotham
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:10 PM To: Paul Hoffman / IMC Cc: Frank Solensky; Jiri Kuthan; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Again: Number of Firewall/NAT Users Exactly. More or less by definition, since NATs and firewalls hide stuff, we can't possibly measure the stuff