Agreed!
Berlin - Vancouver - Prague my three favourites.
cheers!
~Carlos
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote:
> Venue was great, food options here and in the city were great, all-around
> great experience. Let's come again!
>
> (I do kinda wonder how there wasn't a single loca
> From: Ted Lemon
> I would personally love it if IETF did another Munich meeting, because
> I haven't been there since I was seven, and I've always wanted to go back
"Many fine lunches and dinners". Some things never change...
Noel
On Aug 6, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Douglas Otis wrote:
> Agreed. One minor downside was needing an additional flight. It seems AB
> who handles about a third of the traffic rather than Lufthansa that handles
> about one fifth, was not the best choice where a 6 hour layover extended an
> hour on the
>Agreed. One minor downside was needing an additional flight. It seems AB who
>handles about a third of the traffic rather than Lufthansa that handles about
>one
>fifth, was not the best choice where a 6 hour layover extended an hour on the
>tarmac
>in a hot plane.
With any luck, the next tim
On Aug 6, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Keith Moore wrote:
> On 08/06/2013 07:36 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
>>> ...
>>> IETF 39 was in Munich (August 1997) Arabella&Sheraton @
>>> Arabella Park, and it was HOT pretty much the whole week.
>> If I recall, another very successful meeting in a place we
>> shoul
On 08/06/2013 07:36 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
...
IETF 39 was in Munich (August 1997) Arabella&Sheraton @
Arabella Park, and it was HOT pretty much the whole week.
If I recall, another very successful meeting in a place we
should go back to.
I liked Munich as a destination. But the hotel /
--On Wednesday, August 07, 2013 00:52 +0200 Martin Rex
wrote:
>...
> IETF 39 was in Munich (August 1997) Arabella&Sheraton @
> Arabella Park, and it was HOT pretty much the whole week.
If I recall, another very successful meeting in a place we
should go back to.
Now, if only the IAOC could
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Martin Rex wrote:
> Ulrich Herberg wrote:
>>
>> I think that the heat was exceptional. I have grown up in Munich, and
>> I have rarely ever seen it that hot (either in Munich or Berlin).
>> Maybe it's global warming? ;-)
>
> Damn coincidences!
>
> IETF 39 was in Mun
Ulrich Herberg wrote:
>
> I think that the heat was exceptional. I have grown up in Munich, and
> I have rarely ever seen it that hot (either in Munich or Berlin).
> Maybe it's global warming? ;-)
Damn coincidences!
IETF 39 was in Munich (August 1997) Arabella&Sheraton @ Arabella Park,
and it w
John,
I think that the heat was exceptional. I have grown up in Munich, and
I have rarely ever seen it that hot (either in Munich or Berlin).
Maybe it's global warming? ;-)
Ulrich
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:19 PM, John Levine wrote:
>>Venue was great, food options here and in the city were great
In article <6462.1375450...@sandelman.ca> you write:
>-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>
>Many countries let you claim VAT paid as you leave.
Only on goods you export, not on hotels and meals.
I hope the IETF can figure out how to more efficiently reclaim the VAT
it pays on European expenses so the whole thing is a
> Agreed. Great meeting overall, venue worked well, plenty of places
> to eat and stay within reasonable distance, and suitable distractions
> for those half days when you don't have any sessions.
Hm.
What are these meeting-free half-days of which you speak?
Barry
>-1 on doing it during the winter speaking as a Californian who doesn't
>even own a winter coat
I expect you could get a very nice one at KaDeWe.
>Venue was great, food options here and in the city were great,
>all-around great experience. Let's come again!
Agreed. Great meeting overall, venue worked well, plenty of places
to eat and stay within reasonable distance, and suitable distractions
for those half days when you don't have any sess
Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 03:39:27AM -0700, Greg Shepherd:
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Mary Barnes wrote:
>
> > I did have some annoyances with the housekeeping, in particular the
> > rewashing of glasses/mugs in the bathroom sink and someone else's soap bar
> > ending up in my bathroom.
> >
>
*+1*
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Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Von: ext Ted Lemon
Datum:
An: "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)"
Cc: Carsten Bormann ,"ietf@ietf.org list"
Betreff: Re: Berlin was awesome, let's come again
On Aug 2, 2013, at 1:56 PM, "Deen,
On Aug 2, 2013, at 1:56 PM, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)"
wrote:
> -1 on doing it during the winter speaking as a Californian who doesn't even
> own a winter coat
A winter coat used to be a prerequisite for attending winter IETF, and I don't
think that's a bad thing. You can do quite well in
--On Friday, August 02, 2013 06:47 -0700 Randall Gellens
wrote:
> I can rattle off a very small number of hotels around the
> world where they do wash in-room items in the restaurant
> dishwasher.
Or equivalent. Most of those seal the washed cups in paper or
plastic to show that they have don
> it's extremely common for in-room glassware and cups to be
> washed by the housekeeper. If I don't see racks of clean glasses and cups
> on the housekeeping carts, then I assume those in my room aren't clean, and
> I use paper. Less environmentally friendly, sadly.
I just wash the glasses myse
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Mary Barnes wrote:
> I did have some annoyances with the housekeeping, in particular the
> rewashing of glasses/mugs in the bathroom sink and someone else's soap bar
> ending up in my bathroom.
>
Can I have my soap back?
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Living
I agree that the venue was awesome! I hope that they will complete the
new airport still in this century, which would make it easier to reach
Berlin.
Ulrich
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 7:53 AM -0500 8/2/13, Mary Barnes wrote:
>
>> I did have some annoyances with
At 7:53 AM -0500 8/2/13, Mary Barnes wrote:
I did have some annoyances with the housekeeping, in particular the
rewashing of glasses/mugs in the bathroom sink and someone else's
soap bar ending up in my bathroom.
Obviously, someone else's soap should never end up in your room, but
unfortun
On 8/2/13 3:39 PM, Janet P Gunn wrote:
> AFAIK, you can only get a VAT refund for GOODS you take with you, not
> for the VAT on goods or services "consumed" in country.
>
> Janet
>
If I print the slides of the WG that I attend, does it do the trick?
:D
as
On Aug 2, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> In the grand scheme of things, it's less than the room price for one night
> (unless you're staying at some particularly cheap motel, and those are more
> available in the US).
The availability of less expensive nearby hotels was also a plus for the
On Aug 2, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Eggert, Lars wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 13:04, Russ Housley
> wrote:
>> I have also enjoyed my time in Berlin. However, we need to complete the
>> analysis on the impact of VAT. I hope there is a way to avoid a cost to
>> each participant of an 19%. We
08/02/2013 09:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Berlin was awesome, let's come again
> Sent by: ietf-boun...@ietf.org
>
>
> Many countries let you claim VAT paid as you leave.
> If we organized ourselves, then the whole issue of VAT could be neutral
to
> non-EC attende
Many countries let you claim VAT paid as you leave.
If we organized ourselves, then the whole issue of VAT could be neutral to
non-EC attendees. EC-attendees, likely can claim the VAT paid anyway.
I just wish travel in the summer to Europe wasn't so expensive, and that the
week didn't so often r
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Mary Barnes wrote:
> I did have some annoyances with the housekeeping, in particular the
> rewashing of glasses/mugs in the bathroom sink and someone else's soap bar
> ending up in my bathroom.
I never ever use hotel glassware.
I'd even settle for winter. I can wear a coat, if necessary.
Carrying an effective AC is far less practical, to say nothing of the
extension cord...
-=R
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Roberto Peon wrote:
> > I'd just prefer a venue where we had
On Aug 2, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Roberto Peon wrote:
> I'd just prefer a venue where we had temps in the various conference/meeting
> rooms and facilities which were reliably below 80 degrees Fahrenheit.
So, Autumn IETF in Berlin?
:)
Yes, I meant to say the last time we were there in November (since that was
what we were talking about).
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2013, Mary Barnes wrote:
>
> > It was snowing the last time we were in Vancouver. While the snow melted
> > quickly, th
I'd just prefer a venue where we had temps in the various
conference/meeting rooms and facilities which were reliably below 80
degrees Fahrenheit.
I looked around a number of times while in various meetings, and a large
number of people were sweating (including myself).
-=R
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013
Overall, I agree that it was a good venue for getting work done overall.
>From my perspective, I would have preferred all the rooms be around the
temperature that we had in the Charlottenbergs. Also, food was very hit or
miss for me. The hotel breakfast was fine. I had two dinners that I am
con
age-
> From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ole
> Jacobsen
> Sent: 02 August 2013 13:40
> To: Mary Barnes
> Cc: Carsten Bormann; ietf@ietf.org list
> Subject: Re: Berlin was awesome, let's come again
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2013, Mary
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013, Mary Barnes wrote:
> It was snowing the last time we were in Vancouver. While the snow melted
> quickly, the temp was quite brisk. There are many restaurants within
> walking distance so you would be wise to bring some layers of outerwear
> along with gloves, a hat and scarf
> Very productive venue, easy to access city, several hotels near the venue
> for alternatives, walkable area around the venue, lots of options for
> restaurants, good public transit system, etc. And I enjoyed the social &
> social venue as well (thanks DENIC)!
>
> I really do hope we return in t
It was snowing the last time we were in Vancouver. While the snow melted
quickly, the temp was quite brisk. There are many restaurants within
walking distance so you would be wise to bring some layers of outerwear
along with gloves, a hat and scarf.
Mary
On Friday, August 2, 2013, Deen, Glenn (
, Lars
Cc: Carsten Bormann ; ietf@ietf.org list
Subject: Re: Berlin was awesome, let's come again
Vancouver will be great. I'm looking forward to it. The pacific helps keep it
moderate during winter unless you go up in elevation such as the local
mountains.
Glenn
Sent fr
Vancouver will be great. I'm looking forward to it. The pacific helps keep it
moderate during winter unless you go up in elevation such as the local
mountains.
Glenn
Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos
On Aug 2, 2013, at 1:58 PM, "Eggert, Lars" wrote:
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 13
On Aug 2, 2013, at 13:56, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)"
wrote:
> -1 on doing it during the winter speaking as a Californian who doesn't even
> own a winter coat
You are not going to like going to Vancouver for IETF-88...
Lars
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+1 on visiting Berlin again
-1 on doing it during the winter speaking as a Californian who doesn't even own
a winter coat
Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections
On Aug 2, 2013, at 1:51 PM, "Scott Brim" wrote:
> On 08/02/13 13:02, Carsten Bormann allegedly wrote:
>>
On 08/02/13 13:02, Carsten Bormann allegedly wrote:
> The venue for this meeting was very productive, with few things getting in
> the way.
> It also simply was pleasant.
>
> Indeed, let's come again!
>
> Grüße, Carsten
+1
It would work even in winter.
+1
Very productive venue, easy to access city, several hotels near the venue
for alternatives, walkable area around the venue, lots of options for
restaurants, good public transit system, etc. And I enjoyed the social &
social venue as well (thanks DENIC)!
I really do hope we return in the futu
On Aug 2, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Martin Thomson wrote:
> On 2 August 2013 13:04, Yoav Nir wrote:
>> There's the slight matter of $123.50 in VAT.
>
> This was such a good meeting, I think that I could justify paying
> extra to cover VAT.
I agree, but it's easy for me to agree, as all the expense go
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 2, 2013, at 1:11 PM, "Russ Housley" wrote:
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> I have also enjoyed my time in Berlin. However, we need to complete the
> analysis on the impact of VAT. I hope there is a way to avoid a cost to each
> participant
On Aug 2, 2013, at 12:58 PM, "Eggert, Lars" wrote:
> Venue was great, food options here and in the city were great, all-around
> great experience. Let's come again!
+1
As venues go, this was a good one.
On 2 August 2013 13:04, Yoav Nir wrote:
> There's the slight matter of $123.50 in VAT.
This was such a good meeting, I think that I could justify paying
extra to cover VAT.
That is, assuming that the implicit thesis in the above is correct.
Namely, that attendee fee income exceed the meeting cos
On 8/2/13 12:58 PM, Eggert, Lars wrote:
> Venue was great, food options here and in the city were great, all-around
> great experience. Let's come again!
>
> (I do kinda wonder how there wasn't a single local company willing to step up
> to be the host. That's embarrassing to me as a German, esp.
It seems likely that the VAT problem will affect all European (or at least EU)
meetings.
On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> There's the slight matter of $123.50 in VAT.
>
> To me personally that is minor compared with the much lower price of a flight
> to Germany as compared with
Hi,
On Aug 2, 2013, at 13:04, Russ Housley
wrote:
> I have also enjoyed my time in Berlin. However, we need to complete the
> analysis on the impact of VAT. I hope there is a way to avoid a cost to each
> participant of an 19%. We heard in plenary that VAT clearly applies to
> conferences,
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I have also enjoyed my time in Berlin. However, we need to complete the
analysis on the impact of VAT. I hope there is a way to avoid a cost to each
participant of an 19%. We heard in plenary that VAT clearly applies to
conferences, but it may no
There's the slight matter of $123.50 in VAT.
To me personally that is minor compared with the much lower price of a flight
to Germany as compared with a flight to the US. But for people working in the
US, there's the more expensive flight, and the more expensive meeting.
Yoav
On Aug 2, 2013,
On Aug 2, 2013, at 12:58, "Eggert, Lars" wrote:
> Venue was great, food options here and in the city were great, all-around
> great experience. Let's come again!
I'm a big fan of Prague, but I agree that that has now got a rival.
The venue for this meeting was very productive, with few things g
Venue was great, food options here and in the city were great, all-around great
experience. Let's come again!
(I do kinda wonder how there wasn't a single local company willing to step up
to be the host. That's embarrassing to me as a German, esp. if the IETF meets
in the self-declared IT hub o
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