Re: Comments on appeal to the IESG concerning the approbation of the IDNA2008 document set.

2010-03-15 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
I agree with Sam that it might be a sensible modification of the existing process. However, it is irrelevant to the current discussion since the IESG is not at current permitted to make such a statement. The main argument against modification might well be the very fact that it would allow

Re: Comments on appeal to the IESG concerning the approbation of the IDNA2008 document set.

2010-03-15 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
From RFC 2026 At all stages of the appeals process, the individuals or bodies responsible for making the decisions have the discretion to define the specific procedures they will follow in the process of making their decision. Suggest that before anyone suggests modifying process they

Comments on appeal to the IESG concerning the approbation of the IDNA2008 document set.

2010-03-11 Thread Andrew Sullivan
To the IESG: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 05:43:12PM -0500, Russ Housley wrote: The IESG has received an appeal. It can be found here: http://www.ietf.org/iesg/appeal/morfin-2010-03-10.pdf I have read the document, though I cheerfully concede that some of the text eludes my understanding. I was

Re: Comments on appeal to the IESG concerning the approbation of the IDNA2008 document set.

2010-03-11 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 3/11/2010 9:16 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: As near as I can tell, that says that it is _not_ an appeal of the document set itself. Let us consider careful this sentence. Andrew expended substantial time an energy to read and analyze the appel. For all that, he is still left having to

Re: Comments on appeal to the IESG concerning the approbation of the IDNA2008 document set.

2010-03-11 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Andrew, Thankyou for spending time on this. On 2010-03-12 06:16, Andrew Sullivan wrote: ... It is instead an appeal that the documents were not published with disclaimers attached. Interesting. Since we're being legalistic, all IETF documents carry the standard disclaimer (by reference in

Re: Comments on appeal to the IESG concerning the approbation of the IDNA2008 document set.

2010-03-11 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 09:02:53AM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote: That seems to cover most angles. I can't see why the IESG could be expected to add technical disclaimers to a consensus document. In fact, doing so would probably be a process violation in itself. Well, ok, and yes it probably

Re: Comments on appeal to the IESG concerning the approbation of the IDNA2008 document set.

2010-03-11 Thread Sam Hartman
Andrew == Andrew Sullivan a...@shinkuro.com writes: Andrew On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 09:02:53AM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote: That seems to cover most angles. I can't see why the IESG could be expected to add technical disclaimers to a consensus document. In fact, doing so

Re: Comments on appeal to the IESG concerning the approbation of the IDNA2008 document set.

2010-03-11 Thread Brian E Carpenter
I agree with Sam, for cases which would otherwise result in an endless DISCUSS - although normally I'd expect the argument to be complex enough that a separate RFC would be needed to explain the dissent. Brian On 2010-03-12 09:58, Sam Hartman wrote: Andrew == Andrew Sullivan