Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-30 Thread SM
At 15:21 29-05-2013, Ted Lemon wrote: I didn't say that I support the draft; just what I think could be done to somewhat mitigate its scope. My personal (non-hat) feeling about the draft is that if there is I did not read those messages as meaning that you support the draft or that there

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-30 Thread Michael Richardson
Joe == Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca writes: Okay, I felt a bit embarrassed about having said this, so I went back and reviewed the justification for bringing this forth as an IETF document. The stated reason for publishing the document as an IETF document is that there is a

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-29 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 08:44:08AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: but i think the draft in question has very serious privacy issues, and would like to focus on that, not characterization of the messengers. The discussion in the security considerations of the -04 draft appears to me to acknowledge

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-29 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:25 -0400 Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.com wrote: On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 08:44:08AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: but i think the draft in question has very serious privacy issues, and would like to focus on that, not characterization of the messengers.

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-29 Thread Ted Lemon
On May 29, 2013, at 12:36 PM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: If I had been able to figure out what else to say that would be stronger, constructive, and not stray into Applicability Statement territory, I would have, so I'm out of ideas and it is possible that Joe is too. Even if you

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-29 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Ted, On 2013-05-29, at 9:54, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: On May 29, 2013, at 12:36 PM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: If I had been able to figure out what else to say that would be stronger, constructive, and not stray into Applicability Statement territory, I would

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-29 Thread SM
Hi Ted, At 09:53 29-05-2013, Ted Lemon wrote: too restrained in this regard, IMHO. I would add some text to the introduction, like this: The DNS Resource Records described in this document have significant privacy implications (see section 8). They were developed with the intention to

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-29 Thread Ted Lemon
On May 29, 2013, at 5:51 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Here's what I would be told: Scenario a and Scenario b do not have privacy implications as they have been reviewed by a respected organization in Canada. I would also be told that there is an Office of the Privacy Commissioner of

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-29 Thread Ted Lemon
On May 29, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: I hope the responsible AD for this document will not count me as participating in the consensus on this document; it was not my intention in making the suggestion I made to indicate that I favor publishing the document.

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-29 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Ted, On 2013-05-29, at 15:50, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: Okay, I felt a bit embarrassed about having said this, so I went back and reviewed the justification for bringing this forth as an IETF document. The stated reason for publishing the document as an IETF document is

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-28 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 15:42 +0900 Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: ... While the RFC should not be materially misleading, I don't think there is a requirement for Informational RFCs to guarantee any particular level or security or privacy. that the draft now tries to slide by as info

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-28 Thread Randy Bush
What is at issue, IMO, is whether the Internet is better off having a couple of RRTYPEs around with no documentation or having them documented. there are two solutions to this randy

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-28 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 20:58 +0900 Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: What is at issue, IMO, is whether the Internet is better off having a couple of RRTYPEs around with no documentation or having them documented. there are two solutions to this Probably more than two if your comment

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-28 Thread Randy Bush
What is at issue, IMO, is whether the Internet is better off having a couple of RRTYPEs around with no documentation or having them documented. there are two solutions to this Probably more than two if your comment indicates that you agree that having registered RRTYPEs documented is, on

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-28 Thread joel jaeggli
On 5/28/13 8:18 AM, Randy Bush wrote: What is at issue, IMO, is whether the Internet is better off having a couple of RRTYPEs around with no documentation or having them documented. there are two solutions to this Probably more than two if your comment indicates that you agree that having

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-28 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:18:40AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: remove the rrtypes from the registry While it's good to see that the Internet Exemplary Taste-enForcers are alive and well, I would have an extremely strong objection to that approach. The DNS Extensions Working Group published an

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-28 Thread Randy Bush
remove the rrtypes from the registry While it's good to see that the Internet Exemplary Taste-enForcers are alive and well, I would have an extremely strong objection to that approach. jck was trying to enumerate alternatives. he omitted one. i am not a particular advocate of any of them,