Re: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-21 Thread Satoshi UENO
Hi, I support to allocate a codepoint to G.8113.1. Best ragards, Satoshi

Re: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi, On 03/21/2012 09:20 AM, Satoshi UENO wrote: Hi, I support to allocate a codepoint to G.8113.1. Good for you. But just so you and other folks posting similar mails know, this mail won't be helpful for me as an AD when it comes to evaluating this topic, since I've no clue as to the

R: RE: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-21 Thread erminio.ottone...@libero.it
I support the allocation of an ACH codepoint to G.8113.1, not precluding the ITU-T to progress refinements to the protocol following its own process. As indicated by Russ, this approach creates a situation where G.8113.1 succeeded or fails based on the ITU-T members actions, with no finger

Re: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-20 Thread Huub van Helvoort
Hello, I continue my support for the codepoint allocation I agree with Russ's statement in https://www.ietf.org/ibin/c5i?mid=6rid=49gid=0k1=933k2=62185tid=1331648664 Some people are using the lack of a code point as the reason that the cannot support the ITU-T document. My approach tells the

RE: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-19 Thread Maarten vissers
+1 Original Message From: Rui Costa rco...@ptinovacao.pt Sent: zaterdag 17 maart 2012 12:00:56 + To: ietf@ietf.org ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet

Re: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-19 Thread Loa Andersson
Maarten, please be aware of what u asking for - you won't have a an ACH codepoint to G.8113.1. First, what is requested is an Associated Channel Type and it will be assigned to the RFC resulting from draft-betts-. I will not do my tutorial on Associated Channel acronyms, but it could do it if

RE: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-17 Thread Rui Costa
Hello, I support the allocation of an ACH codepoint to G.8113.1, not precluding the ITU-T to progress refinements. Ergo, i support this draft and proposal http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg72191.html. IMHO, the status quo analysis expressed in both

Re: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-02 Thread Scott O. Bradner
what John said with one caveat - ITU-T consensus to modify an IETF protocol rather than bringing requirements to the IETF should not escape the gatekeeper function Scott On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:04 PM, John C Klensin wrote: --On Thursday, March 01, 2012 18:39 + Stewart Bryant

Re: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-01 Thread Kyung-Yeop Hong (hongk)
No/do not support. One of the issues with G.8113.1 in LS370 is its stability and maturity. That was one of the reasons why it was not approved. The Ethernet based OAM protocol documented in the LS370 version is intended to be deployed for MPLS networks. I think the IETF has a duty to ensure

Re: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-01 Thread Russ Housley
KY: Would you support the assignment to an approved G.8113.1? That is, if the document contained a normative reference to the approved G.8113.1, then the document that makes the code point allocations would sit in the RFC Editor queue until the ITU-T reaches consensus and approves G.8113.1.

Re: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-01 Thread Loa Andersson
Russ, I'm not KY, but I feel that your question is a bit loaded. Certainly if the document is reviewed and approved by the IETF/IESG it would be no problem to support the assignment of a ACh Type. But I can't see that approval by some other instance actually carry the same merit - so exactly

Re: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-01 Thread Russ Housley
Loa: Right now, there is no ITU-T approved document to reference. I am certainly not an expert on ITU-T process, but my understanding is that earliest that we could see an approved G.8113.1 is December 2012. My point is that we don't want to assign a code point until the ITU-T approves

Re: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-01 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, March 01, 2012 13:02 -0500 Russ Housley hous...@vigilsec.com wrote: Loa: Right now, there is no ITU-T approved document to reference. I am certainly not an expert on ITU-T process, but my understanding is that earliest that we could see an approved G.8113.1 is December

Re: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-01 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 01/03/2012 18:28, John C Klensin wrote: --On Thursday, March 01, 2012 13:02 -0500 Russ Housley hous...@vigilsec.com wrote: Loa: Right now, there is no ITU-T approved document to reference. I am certainly not an expert on ITU-T process, but my understanding is that earliest that we could

RE: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-01 Thread Kyung-Yeop Hong (hongk)
Russ, The LS370 version of G.8113.1 has been sent to the ITU-T Nov 2012 meeting (a.k.a. WTSA) for further discussion. At this point, no one can tell if it will be approved. As the level of stability and maturity of G.8113.1 will not be changed between now and Nov, the opinions made by ITU-T

Re: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-01 Thread Russ Housley
Right now, there is no ITU-T approved document to reference. I am certainly not an expert on ITU-T process, but my understanding is that earliest that we could see an approved G.8113.1 is December 2012. My point is that we don't want to assign a code point until the ITU-T approves their

Re: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-01 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, March 01, 2012 18:39 + Stewart Bryant stbry...@cisco.com wrote: ... FWIW, this seems entirely appropriate to me. If we do it this way, I think it is important to note --for the benefit of those more historically involved with the ITU and others-- that we routinely block

Re: [PWE3] FW: Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-02-27 Thread Stewart Bryant
PWE3 WG Please see the note further down the thread requesting that any discussion take place on ietf@ietf.org Stewart On 27/02/2012 14:27, Stewart Bryant wrote: My understanding is that the Recommendation called up by this draft proposes this as a new OAM be used for PWs. I do not think

Last Call: draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM) to Informational RFC

2012-02-22 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet based OAM' draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the