Re: Privacy and IETF Document Access (again)

2000-03-29 Thread William Allen Simpson

Normally, I'd view this as rather cranky, since many implementations 
have asked for this information for rather a long time.  I usually 
access them with the generic user "ftp", not "anonymous".  I long 
ago gave up an expectation of anonymity.  I believe that the proper 
security technique is through an anonymizing service.

Sites that I regularly visit even have a stated privacy policy saying: 
your access will be monitored, if you don't like this please leave.

However, we should take warning from the recent clueless Boston judge 
that foolishly granted "accelerated discovery" of non-defendants in 
the CyberPatrol reverse engineering case, when the plaintiff asked for 
access logs of many sites.

The IETF needs a formal privacy policy.

I recommend that we remove the "anonymous" user, leaving only the "ftp" 
or "guest" users.

I recommend that we change the login message to have an explicit 
privacy statement, saying that the required email response will be 
used only for network administration purposes, destroyed after 3 days, 
and never revealed to any third party.

Such are the exigencies of interaction with the US courts

Do we have a WG that could write this up as a BCP?

Tim Salo wrote:
 I'm concerned that by asking for an e-mail address prior to permitting
 access to documents, the IETF may be projecting a poor public image of the
 organization and its its efforts to assure online privacy.  As an
 organization, we pride ourselves on being more concerned than most about
 privacy in a wired world.  But, our ftp configuration could be interpreted
 as an indication that our actual data practices aren't much better than
 anyone else's.
 

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Re: Privacy and IETF Document Access (again)

2000-03-29 Thread Maurizio Codogno


 From: Tim Salo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  I recently noticed that ftp.ietf.org requires the use of an e-mail
  address (well, ok, something that looks like an e-mail address) as
  a password for anonymous login. ...
 
 I obviously wasn't particularly clear about my concerns in my original note.
 
 I'm concerned that by asking for an e-mail address prior to permitting
 access to documents, the IETF may be projecting a poor public image of the
 organization and its its efforts to assure online privacy. 
[...]
 No, I don't think this is a big privacy breach.  Rather, it is a matter
 of projecting an appearance that the IETF takes network privacy seriously.

I am pragmatic. If the current string 

331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.

is replaced with

331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address or "anon@invalid" as 
password.

and 

530-You must supply a valid email address as your password.
530-For example, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is okay.

with

530-You should supply a valid email address as your password.
530-For example, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is okay,  
530-but "anon@invalid" is accepted too.

I think that privacy concerns would be correctly addressed.

ciao, .mau.