Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-21 Thread Marshall Rose
Nomcom is a group of people randomly selected from among a set of folks whose only qualifications are that they want to be on nomcom and they like traveling to meetings. well, in the planning meeting, i think i suggested that only people who didn't want to be on the nomcom

Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-21 Thread Andrew G. Malis
Wrenching this thread back to match the subject line . Having just gone through the nomcom process as a new addition to the IAB, I just wanted to add my two cents In the past I've volunteered for the nomcom lottery but was never selected, so I can't speak with authority about any

Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-20 Thread Noel Chiappa
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:11:09AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: ... the conduct of Nomcom processes tends towards pretty classic personnel assessment, but with people typically lacking classic personnel training or experience. This would be different from a normal election...

Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-20 Thread Dave Crocker
Noel Chiappa wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:11:09AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: ... the conduct of Nomcom processes tends towards pretty classic personnel assessment, but with people typically lacking classic personnel training or experience. This would be different

Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-20 Thread Theodore Tso
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 02:06:12AM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:11:09AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: ... the conduct of Nomcom processes tends towards pretty classic personnel assessment, but with people typically lacking classic personnel training

RE: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-20 Thread Eric Gray
Principal Engineer Ericsson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Crocker Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:35 AM To: Noel Chiappa Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality Noel Chiappa wrote

RE: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-20 Thread Eric Gray
. -- Eric Gray Principal Engineer Ericsson -Original Message- From: Lakshminath Dondeti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:17 PM To: Eric Gray Cc: Dave Crocker; IETF Discussion Subject: Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality Importance: High On 3/19

RE: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-20 Thread Ole Jacobsen
The random selection process coupled with the relatively small number of volunteers is an interesting factor in all of this. I have been selected 3 times (albeit the second time it all fell apart in The Giant Reset of 2006 :-) and volunteered probably 10 or 15 times. It's either hard to get on

Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-20 Thread Eric Rosen
The random selection process coupled with the relatively small number of volunteers is an interesting factor in all of this Nomcom is a group of people randomly selected from among a set of folks whose only qualifications are that they want to be on nomcom and they like traveling to

Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-20 Thread Ole Jacobsen
Eric, Thank you for such a wonderful positive description of the process. I am sure it will lead to much more participation and volunteer activity, after all, who doesn't want to travel? I am particularly pleased to see that you have so many creative suggestions for alternative ways for

Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-20 Thread SM
At 10:11 19-03-2008, Dave Crocker wrote: The current discussion about Nomcom activities has been sufficiently professional and constructive in tone to prompt me to raise a particularly delicate point: Just how realistic is our belief in confidentiality for the process? Restricting what

RE: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-19 Thread Eric Gray
Dave, I think I disagree with you on several of the details in your discussion without necessarily disagreeing with where you are going with it. First of all, I think that the realistic view of the possibility of something leaking is enough to ensure that people do not make

Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-19 Thread Lakshminath Dondeti
On 3/19/2008 11:12 AM, Eric Gray wrote: Dave, I think I disagree with you on several of the details in your discussion without necessarily disagreeing with where you are going with it. First of all, I think that the realistic view of the possibility of something leaking is

Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-19 Thread Theodore Tso
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:11:09AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: Add to this the fact that a) we have no detailed rules for confidentiality but rather treat the word as having implicit-but-total effect on behavior, b) we have no enforcement powers over violations, and c) Nomcom members, IAB