Re: silly legal boilerplate, was Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-26 Thread Michael Dillon
A better response would be to send the stupid boilerplate (and only the boilerplate, not the real message, or its headers) to the CEO (or corporate lawyer, or similar) of the organisation that sent the message, along with text something like...        I thank an employee of your organisation

Re: silly legal boilerplate, was Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-23 Thread Robert Elz
Date:20 Nov 2009 05:36:18 - From:John Levine jo...@iecc.com Message-ID: 20091120053618.8729.qm...@simone.iecc.com | But I have often been sorely tempted to return messages like this with | boilerplate of my own explaining that since I cannot accept the |

Re: silly legal boilerplate, was Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-23 Thread John R. Levine
| But I have often been sorely tempted to return messages like this with | boilerplate of my own explaining that since I cannot accept the | sender's alleged restrictions, the message has been returned unread, That's the wrong response, it achieves nothing, the person who sent the message

Re: silly legal boilerplate, was Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-23 Thread Robert Elz
Date:23 Nov 2009 10:54:09 -0500 From:John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com Message-ID: alpine.bsf.2.00.0911231045140.12...@simone.lan | You must know different CEOs and lawyers than I do. The CEO's secretary | will send it to the lawyer, and the lawyer will say yes,

Re: silly legal boilerplate, was Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-20 Thread Andrew G. Malis
From: Andrew Allen aal...@rim.com To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures ... This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected

Re: Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-20 Thread Andrew G. Malis
Andrew, In this particular case, the patent was published on Jan. 4, 2007, so it's difficult to imagine any valid reason to not have disclosed then. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Andrew Allen aal...@rim.com wrote: With regard to the recent discussion on the IETF-Discussion

Re: silly legal boilerplate, was Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-20 Thread John R. Levine
Unfortunately, many corporate email systems, including at a former employer of mine, automatically add these to every outgoing email, and individual employees have no control over it nor any way to change the corporate policy. Which is one of the reasons why I use non-work email for my IETF work.

Re: silly legal boilerplate, was Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-20 Thread Russ Housley
From: Andrew Allen aal...@rim.com To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures ... This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected

Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-19 Thread Andrew Allen
With regard to the recent discussion on the IETF-Discussion list regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures, I understand the community's concerns regarding the timeliness of the disclosure. As I'm sure everyone can understand, as employees of companies we are bound by confidentiality obligations

Re: Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-19 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - From: Andrew Allen aal...@rim.com To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures ... This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected

Re: Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-19 Thread Dave CROCKER
Randy, It is a standard footer attached automatically by many attorney's email systems to all outgoing mail. d/ Randy Presuhn wrote: Hi - From: Andrew Allen aal...@rim.com To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

Re: silly legal boilerplate, was Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-19 Thread John Levine
PM Subject: Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures ... This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use

RE: Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-19 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
Is every single RIM employee going to send this to the list? EHL From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Allen Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:11 PM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures With regard to the recent

Re: Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures

2009-11-19 Thread Lars Eggert
FYI: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg02914.html On 2009-11-20, at 4:41, Randy Presuhn wrote: From: Andrew Allen aal...@rim.com To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Regarding RIM's recent IPR disclosures ... This transmission