Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-13 Thread Cyrus Daboo
Hi, --On October 12, 2009 9:04:28 PM -0700 Fred Baker f...@cisco.com wrote: Is there any planned ad-hoc meeting/session related to this topic in Hiroshima meeting? Well, ROLL and 6lowpan are relevant. http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki and specifically

The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-13 Thread Richard Shockey
NIST has issued its formal request for comments on the NIST Framework and Roadmap for Smart Grid Interoperability Standards, Release 1.0. As I noted in a previous message this extremely important to the evolution, reliability and security of not just the Electricity Grid but to the Internet

Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-12 Thread Peny Yang
Is there any planned ad-hoc meeting/session related to this topic in Hiroshima meeting? Peny On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Fred Baker f...@cisco.com wrote: Thanks. You already know this, as does Russ Housley, but I'll say it out loud for others to hear. At the third NIST workshop on the

Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-12 Thread Fred Baker
On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:18 PM, Peny Yang wrote: Is there any planned ad-hoc meeting/session related to this topic in Hiroshima meeting? Well, ROLL and 6lowpan are relevant. http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki and specifically http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/BifIETF76 has a BOF

Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-10 Thread Peter Dambier
Sorry if I misunderstand something, but I thought it was already working. e.g. chinese hackers successfully proofed they can switch off all power companies in Australia whenever they want. I remember some places in the world have forbidden to connect lethal devices like powerplants to the

Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-06 Thread Dave CROCKER
Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2009-10-06 10:20, Richard Shockey wrote: The Utility Industry does not understand the current IPv4 number exhaust problem ... Ironic, really, since IP addresses for every streetlight was one of the favourite examples in the IPng days. +1 EPRI was an active

The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Richard Shockey
The general internet community needs to be aware of activities in North America that directly relate to the use of IETF protocols in the Electric Utility industry. This activity is generally referred to as the SmartGrid. Though the issues immediately deal with technical and policy decisions in

Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Fred Baker
Thanks. You already know this, as does Russ Housley, but I'll say it out loud for others to hear. At the third NIST workshop on the Smart Grid, which was the week following the IETF meeting, several IETFers were invited by David Su of NIST to a workshop on the role of the Internet

Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Michael Dillon
Myself and others are deeply concerned by how this effort is developing. There is no current consensus on what the communications architecture of the SmartGrid is or how IP actually fits into it. The Utility Industry does not understand the current IPv4 number exhaust problem and the

RE: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Richard Shockey
It will certainly get their attention ... :-) -Original Message- From: Michael Dillon [mailto:wavetos...@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:54 PM To: Richard Shockey Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid Myself and others are deeply

Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Hiroshi Esaki
Hi Fred and Michael, This is Hiroshi Esaki of WIDE project, Japan. We have long time worked on the introduction of IP technology into the faculity networks, especially focusing on the usage of IPv6. We run the Green University of Tokyo Project. We have some professional operation using IPv6 on

RE: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Richard Shockey
; Richard Shockey; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid Hi Fred and Michael, This is Hiroshi Esaki of WIDE project, Japan. We have long time worked on the introduction of IP technology into the faculity networks, especially focusing on the usage of IPv6. We run

Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2009-10-06 10:20, Richard Shockey wrote: ... The Utility Industry does not understand the current IPv4 number exhaust problem and the consequences of that if they want to put a IP address on every Utility Meter in North America. Ironic, really, since IP addresses for every streetlight was