Re: The Non-IETF Informational RFC Publication Fiction

2000-06-27 Thread Patrik Fältström
At 16.38 + 00-06-27, Mohsen BANAN-Public wrote: >I believe I also played a significant role in >establishing the RFC Editor's independence based on my insistence on >doing it by the book. Not at all. You did not change or play any specific role at all. The standard mechanism was used.

Re: The Non-IETF Informational RFC Publication Fiction

2000-06-27 Thread Henning Schulzrinne
Keith Moore wrote: > > > These days the value in the RFC series is not that it is a central > repository for everything having to do with Internet protocols > (as if such a repository were even feasible!) but that documents > in the series are likely to be relevant and of reasonable quality. >

Re: The Non-IETF Informational RFC Publication Fiction

2000-06-27 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Bill Manning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ... > I think things are headed in that general direction and I think it is a > sad state of affairs. Historically, RFCs were used to document ideas, > both good and bad. The series covered the range of idea generation > and expression and this was enco

Re: The Non-IETF Informational RFC Publication Fiction

2000-06-27 Thread Keith Moore
> Not what I would have hoped for in an evolved Internet. A lot has changed in the past 30 years. The notion that 'anything is fair game' in the RFC series made a lot more sense when the Internet was just an experimental network, and when packet-switched newtorking was brand new. In such an en

Re: The Non-IETF Informational RFC Publication Fiction

2000-06-27 Thread Bill Manning
% If I were to suggest any change in the RFC review and publication process, % it would be to give IESG the power to say "no" to publication of individual % submissions. (perhaps with the possibility of formal appeal to IAB) % I do not believe that IESG would do this capriciously, and I believe

Re: The Non-IETF Informational RFC Publication Fiction

2000-06-27 Thread Mike Blackstock
On 27 Jun 2000, Mohsen BANAN-Public wrote: > D.J. Bernstein concluded his case study with the following > paragraph. > > > It's well known that the IETF is no longer the primary source of > progress in Internet engineering. The only respectable activity left > for the IAB, IESG, and IETF

Re: The Non-IETF Informational RFC Publication Fiction

2000-06-27 Thread Keith Moore
> In the case of RFC-2188, the RFC Editor did *nothing* and just waited > for the IESG for more than 7 months. That is well documented. A bit of explanation is in order. The IESG takes its review responsibilities seriously, and cannot always in good conscience approve the publication of a docume

Re: The Non-IETF Informational RFC Publication Fiction

2000-06-27 Thread Tim Salo
> Date: 27 Jun 2000 16:38:48 - > From: Mohsen BANAN-Public <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: The Non-IETF Informational RFC Publication Fiction > [...] > I believe I also played a significant role in > establishing the RFC Editor's independence based on m

Re: The Non-IETF Informational RFC Publication Fiction

2000-06-27 Thread Mohsen BANAN-Public
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:48:50 GMT, Bob Braden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Mohsen> Mohsen> The Real component is that IETF/IESG/IAB is well on its way towards Mohsen> becoming a cult violating all published procedures. IETF/IESG/IAB now Mohsen> claims full ownership of the RFC Publicat

The Non-IETF Informational RFC Publication Fiction

2000-06-27 Thread Mohsen BANAN-Public
In 1997, D.J. Bernstein wrote a short note titled: RFC submission: a case study The full text of that note is available at http://cr.yp.to/proto/rfced.html D.J. Bernstein concluded his case study with the following paragraph. It's well known that the IETF is no longer the prima

Re: The Non-IETF Informational RFC Publication Fiction

2000-06-27 Thread Bob Braden
*> *> The Real component is that IETF/IESG/IAB is well on its way towards *> becoming a cult violating all published procedures. IETF/IESG/IAB now *> claims full ownership of the RFC Publication process and quashes *> whatever may want to compete with it or that it does not *> like. I

Re: The Non-IETF Informational RFC Publication Fiction

2000-06-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:01:23 -, Mohsen BANAN-Public <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > The Real component is that IETF/IESG/IAB is well on its way towards > becoming a cult violating all published procedures. IETF/IESG/IAB now > claims full ownership of the RFC Publication process and quashes Of c