RE: WAP - What A Problem...

2000-07-05 Thread Andy Murton
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RE: WAP - What A Problem...

2000-07-05 Thread Taylor, Johnny
Atkielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 1:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem... thats why intelsat and a cosortium of telcos has a charity that built a box that is solar powered and provides n gsm phones access + 1 64kbps uplink/ downlink

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2000-07-05 Thread Taylor, Johnny
I like that close! -Original Message- From: Gilbert Cattoire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 1:12 PM To: Anthony Atkielski; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem... At 18:29 +0200 29/06/00, Anthony Atkielski wrote: I don't understand why so much

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2000-07-05 Thread Renfield Kuroda
"Taylor, Johnny" wrote: In addition to this point I would like to also state WAP is the front runner in regards to linking wireless apps to the Global Internet and her sub-nets. I'd have to disagree there. The 8 million non-WAP users in Japan are unarguably enjoying the most prolific, robust,

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2000-07-05 Thread Anthony Atkielski
I concur with you on the point of land optics however the average person requires remote and mobile access to their corporate networks, intra-nets, extra-nets, and value-added-networks. The average person doesn't use any of these networks, and so does not require access to them. There are

Re: WAP - What A Problem...

2000-07-04 Thread Renfield Kuroda
Graham Klyne wrote: At 07:12 PM 6/30/00 +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Why use SMS instead of just voice? Has anyone considered the ergonomics of WAP? Even if it works perfectly, how many people are willing to work on a screen smaller than a credit card? Well, 10 million Japanese, and

Re: WAP - What A Problem...

2000-07-04 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Well, 10 million Japanese, and growing by 20,000 every DAY. Only 100 million more to go. The Japanese, however, have a passion for highly miniaturized gadgets, so I'm not sure that they are representative. Personally, I don't even have a laptop, mainly because I find laptops so incredibly

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2000-07-04 Thread Vernon Schryver
Well, 10 million Japanese, and growing by 20,000 every DAY. Only 100 million more to go. The Japanese, however, have a passion for highly miniaturized gadgets, so I'm not sure that they are representative. Personally, I don't even have a laptop, mainly because I find laptops so

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2000-07-03 Thread Graham Klyne
At 07:12 PM 6/30/00 +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Why use SMS instead of just voice? Has anyone considered the ergonomics of WAP? Even if it works perfectly, how many people are willing to work on a screen smaller than a credit card? How many people are capable of touch-typing on a keyboard

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2000-07-03 Thread Phil Snell
But I have been astonished by the degree of adoption of SMS (in UK) by school children who purchase their own pre-pay mobile phones (for about $50-100). SMS may be awkward, but the per-use cost is is very low, and totally predictable. And the users in this case soon learn to handle the

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2000-06-30 Thread Jon Crowcroft
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Simpkins t yped: Valdis, I agree with you a hundred percent. The most expensive part of infrastructure is pulling the cables/fiber necessary to build the infrastrucuture. thats why intelsat and a cosortium of telcos has a charity that built a box that is

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2000-06-30 Thread Jim_Stephenson-Dunn
][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem... (Document link: Database 'Jim Stephenson-Dunn', View '($Sent)') Valdis and Alan, you have a very valid point, infrastructure is not only expensive but very time consuming. The engineering component (configuration) is a relatively quick

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2000-06-30 Thread Renfield Kuroda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:12:26 +0200, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Anyway, I have a really good instinct for picking technology winners, and thus far I put WAP in the same category as MiniDiscs, bubble memory, color fax machines, and quadraphonic

Re: WAP - What A Problem...

2000-06-29 Thread Anthony Atkielski
ot; [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'IETF Mailing List'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 09:10 Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem... a technical discussion worth reading is at http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/MikeBanahan/MikeBanahan1.html it would seeem (as i've s

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2000-06-29 Thread Alan Simpkins
June 29, 2000 09:10 Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem... a technical discussion worth reading is at http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/MikeBanahan/MikeBanahan1.html it would seeem (as i've suspected for a while) that the community in charge of this development has the same problem a

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2000-06-29 Thread Gilbert Cattoire
At 18:29 +0200 29/06/00, Anthony Atkielski wrote: I don't understand why so much effort is expended on things like WAP when 99% of the real world still doesn't have any access at all to the Internet, much less wireless access. And even of those who do, most have such slow connections that even

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2000-06-29 Thread Alan Simpkins
This I can agree with, the next question that naturally follows then is is WAP the right protocol for a fixed wireless application, or are we talking about yet another set of standards and protocols. I would tend to think that one set should work for both. Regards, Alan --- John Stracke [EMAIL

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2000-06-29 Thread John Stracke
Alan Simpkins wrote: This I can agree with, the next question that naturally follows then is is WAP the right protocol for a fixed wireless application, I'm pretty sure it isn't--IIRC, fixed-wireless equipment gives point-to-point links at something like T1 speed. In addition, the fact that

RE: WAP - What A Problem...

2000-06-29 Thread Brijesh Kumar
-Original Message- From: Alan Simpkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:04 PM This I can agree with, the next question that naturally follows then is is WAP the right protocol for a fixed wireless application, or are we talking about yet another set of

Re: WAP - What A Problem...

2000-06-29 Thread Anthony Atkielski
For some countries it is more feasible for people to use mobile technology than to try to put in place the fiber, and copper necessary to allow them to communicate using some of what might be called the more traditional methods. If they are that lacking in mere wires, they probably aren't

Re: WAP - What A Problem...

2000-06-29 Thread Anthony Atkielski
But it would be a grave mistake to cease working on future developments while waiting for everyone to be able to share what we have now ... It hasn't gotten as far as sharing. We don't even have the "old" stuff in place and running, and already people want to replace it. You know, I'd much

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2000-06-29 Thread Erkki Kolehmainen
-Original Message- From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 12:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem... For some countries it is more feasible for people to use mobile technology than to try to put in place the fiber