John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW, if the enemy is renovations, or even huge and noisy
construction projects across the street or in adjacent
buildings, a model of going repeatedly to the same venues and
building relationships would not help us get more than
better-quality
--On Thursday, 29 November, 2007 11:16 +0100 Norbert Bollow
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...
The point is that if IETF meetings are potentially repeat
business for a hotel, that gives the hotel an otherwise-absent
strong incentive to do such a good job that we'll want to hold
another IETF
John C Klensin wrote:
But a hotel has a special incentive to
offer us (or any other candidate for holding meetings or taking
up a lot of rooms) very low rates (measured in the differential
from their average rack rate or even their standard corporate
rate) when, for some reason or another,
--On Thursday, 29 November, 2007 08:42 -0500 Dave Crocker
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...
I do not see the mere fact of any renovations as making a
place unusable. However, failure to honor reservations,
running jackhammers next to meeting rooms, and the like, do.
So, again, I think there is
-Original Message-
From: Cullen Jennings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, I'm interested in a more basic thing. We usually
put a large load on a hotel. Why don't our contracts insist
that the hotel not be undergoing significant renovation
during the meeting.
One of the
For the record, Ray was aware of this renovation, and tells
us that there will be renovation ongoing in Philadelphia as
well.
Ray can comment more, but the renovation in Philly for IETF 71
(discovered after the venue decision I believe) is of some of the common
areas in the bar and does not
On 11/29/07 2:00 PM, Livingood, Jason wrote:
...[T]he renovation in Philly for IETF 71 (discovered after the venue decision
I believe) is of... the bar.
Well, there goes any hope of getting anything useful done in Philly. :)
/a
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Subject: Re: Westin Bayshore throwing us out
On 11/29/07 2:00 PM, Livingood, Jason wrote:
...[T]he renovation in Philly for IETF 71 (discovered after
the venue decision I believe) is of... the bar.
Well, there goes any hope
--On Tuesday, 27 November, 2007 17:53 -0500 Ray Pelletier
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Preliminary information is that there will shuttle service
between the Renaissance, Marriott and Westin. Extent of
impact on rooms about 50. I am told we are the only guests at
the Westin. I will report
John C Klensin wrote:
You presumably could not modify or cancel that
contract based on the misbehavior of the Westin Bayshore, but
there might be grounds on the basis of the disruptions and noise
in Chicago.
Disrupted meetings and dislocated participants for two meetings.
Given that the
And neither is the Marriott in Philadelphia.
Ole
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Dave Crocker wrote:
Dave
throwing us out
At Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:47:13 +0200,
Yaakov Stein wrote:
The Westin Bayshore just called me to tell me that they are
undergoing renovations, and so unfortunately they are kicking me out
of the room that I had reserved in early September.
That's uh, not good.
This actually raises
Ole Jacobsen wrote:
And neither is the Marriott in Philadelphia.
It's still Hilton's fault. Gotta be.
Otherwise, the only common factor is Ray and the rest of IETF's administrative
management...
d/
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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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On Nov 28, 2007, at 11:05 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
the only common factor is Ray and the rest of IETF's administrative
management...
well, it's gotta be the IAOC's fault then. Tell you what, you can cut
my IAOC salary in half as a penalty.
Fred Baker wrote:
well, it's gotta be the IAOC's fault then. Tell you what, you can cut my
IAOC salary in half as a penalty.
Nah. You deserve every penny you get. In fact, let's double your salary, for
taking all this crap from the peanut gallery.
The IAOC is looking at the coming
Yeah - but who wants to go to Minneapolis one more time
/duckcover
Bill
Dave Crocker wrote:
Fred Baker wrote:
well, it's gotta be the IAOC's fault then. Tell you what, you can cut
my IAOC salary in half as a penalty.
Nah. You deserve every penny you get. In fact, let's double your
--On Wednesday, 28 November, 2007 23:45 -0500 Dave Crocker
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...
Your last sentence is interesting, however, in the idea that
we would have to pay extra in order to ensure that the hotel
does not make it impossible for us to do our work. While that
wasn't your
The Westin Bayshore just called me to tell me that they are undergoing
renovations,
and so unfortunately they are kicking me out of the room that I had reserved in
early September.
They offered to put me up in the Renaissance 5 blocks away,
but, when asked, told me that the night time
On 11/27/07 at 9:47 PM +0200, Yaakov Stein wrote:
The Westin Bayshore just called me to tell me that they are
undergoing renovations,
and so unfortunately they are kicking me out of the room that I had
reserved in early September.
They offered to put me up in the Renaissance 5 blocks away...
At Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:47:13 +0200,
Yaakov Stein wrote:
The Westin Bayshore just called me to tell me that they are
undergoing renovations, and so unfortunately they are kicking me out
of the room that I had reserved in early September.
That's uh, not good.
This actually raises another issue
As someone else who made reservations in early September and was told
today that they are canceling my reservation, I would be very interested
to know how many people have been affected by this last minute change.
Although I am perhaps more comfortable than Yaakov with walking outdoors
in
On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Pete Resnick wrote:
Ray, I think you need to comment on this. Part of the secretariat
booking hotels is to avoid nonsense like this. Why are they not
kicking out other guests instead of us?
Actually, I'm interested in a more basic thing. We usually put a
++;
On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Yaakov Stein wrote:
The Westin Bayshore just called me to tell me that they are
undergoing renovations,
and so unfortunately they are kicking me out of the room that I had
reserved in early September.
They offered to put me up in the Renaissance 5 blocks
Cullen Jennings wrote:
On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Pete Resnick wrote:
Ray, I think you need to comment on this. Part of the secretariat
booking hotels is to avoid nonsense like this. Why are they not
kicking out other guests instead of us?
Actually, I'm interested in a more basic
Preliminary information is that there will shuttle service between the
Renaissance, Marriott and Westin. Extent of impact on rooms about 50.
I am told we are the only guests at the Westin. I will report back with
additional info.
Ray
IAD
Pete Resnick wrote:
On 11/27/07 at 9:47 PM +0200,
Fair enough, and I realize that I am not privy to how the
negotiations go and how much of a discount one gets. I don't want to
know about how the contracts negotiation happens but I do of course
want to have a productive IETF meeting with as few late surprises as
possible.
On Nov 27,
+1
support.
if so, shuttle should be provided.
- Original Message -
From: Yaakov Stein
To: ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:47 AM
Subject: Westin Bayshore throwing us out
The Westin Bayshore just called me to tell me that they are undergoing
They offered to put me up in the Renaissance 5 blocks away,
The ICANN meeting a couple of years ago was at the Bayshore, and I
stayed at the Renaissance because the Bayshore was full. When we were
there, the weather was unseasonably severe, with temperatures plunging
below 0 C and snow blown
I will be certainly be writing letters to the Bayshore and their parent
company to express my displeasure, and I hope that the IETF will
remember this week's events the next time it considers holding a meeting
at a Starwood Hotel.
and while we are at it...
We will need cloak room service
Cullen Jennings wrote:
We been at several
hotels that are doing renovation during IETF and I don't think it was
ever without problems.
Humans do not process negatives all that well -- and that's a cognitive issue,
not just emotional -- particularly when doubled.
Besides, it's
Fred Baker wrote:
For the record, Ray was aware of this renovation, and tells us that
there will be renovation ongoing in Philadelphia as well.
Since a purpose of the long-term contract was stability, this is proving to be
a rather counter-productive pattern.
As for construction noise,
.
From: Yaakov Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:47 PM
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Westin Bayshore throwing us out
The Westin Bayshore just called me to tell me that they are undergoing
renovations,
and so unfortunately
@ietf.org mailto:ietf@ietf.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:47 AM
*Subject:* Westin Bayshore throwing us out
The Westin Bayshore just called me to tell me that they are
undergoing renovations,
and so unfortunately they are kicking me out of the room that I had
Yangwoo Ko wrote:
Well, I don't think that shuttle bus is an enough compromise. It is not
flexible in scheduling and does not work late night.
It occurs to me that a competent hotel normally comps the cost of the
alternate room, if you arrive with a reservation and they fail to satisfy
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