Re: Who raised the bar? [Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels]

2011-09-07 Thread Hector Santos
Cullen Jennings wrote: If you want my opinion on who raised the bar, it was the participants of the IETF that wrote many BCPs that they expected future RFCs to be compliant with. +1. Another good example is when an unvetted informational helper RFC was fast tracked, becomes a central

Re: Who raised the bar? [Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels]

2011-09-07 Thread JP Vasseur
On Sep 7, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2011-09-07 09:35, Ted Hardie wrote: ... My personal opinion for some time has been that we ought to recognize that the previous PS moved into WG draft years ago and that anything named an RFC should be recognized as something that

Re: Who raised the bar? [Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels]

2011-09-07 Thread JP Vasseur
On Sep 7, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2011-09-07 09:35, Ted Hardie wrote: ... My personal opinion for some time has been that we ought to recognize that the previous PS moved into WG draft years ago and that anything named an RFC should be recognized as something that

Re: Who raised the bar? [Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels]

2011-09-07 Thread SM
At 16:01 06-09-2011, Cullen Jennings wrote: I don't believe the IESG raised the bar, I think the community raised it in a series of IETF Last Calls. And I think this is good - if this document were lowing the PS bar from what it is today, I'd be strongly objecting to it. The problem in my mind

Who raised the bar? [Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels]

2011-09-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2011-09-07 09:35, Ted Hardie wrote: ... My personal opinion for some time has been that we ought to recognize that the previous PS moved into WG draft years ago and that anything named an RFC should be recognized as something that market will consider a standard. And who raised the bar? It

Re: Who raised the bar? [Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels]

2011-09-06 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-09-07 00:01, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2011-09-07 09:35, Ted Hardie wrote: ... My personal opinion for some time has been that we ought to recognize that the previous PS moved into WG draft years ago and that anything named an RFC should be recognized as something that market will

Re: Who raised the bar? [Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels]

2011-09-06 Thread Keith Moore
On Sep 6, 2011, at 6:01 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2011-09-07 09:35, Ted Hardie wrote: ... My personal opinion for some time has been that we ought to recognize that the previous PS moved into WG draft years ago and that anything named an RFC should be recognized as something that

Re: Who raised the bar? [Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels]

2011-09-06 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue Sep 6 23:01:12 2011, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2011-09-07 09:35, Ted Hardie wrote: ... My personal opinion for some time has been that we ought to recognize that the previous PS moved into WG draft years ago and that anything named an RFC should be recognized as something that

Re: Who raised the bar? [Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels]

2011-09-06 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Sep 6, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2011-09-07 09:35, Ted Hardie wrote: ... My personal opinion for some time has been that we ought to recognize that the previous PS moved into WG draft years ago and that anything named an RFC should be recognized as something that

Re: Who raised the bar? [Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels]

2011-09-06 Thread Ted Hardie
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.dewrote: On 2011-09-07 00:01, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2011-09-07 09:35, Ted Hardie wrote: ... My personal opinion for some time has been that we ought to recognize that the previous PS moved into WG draft years ago and