RE: comments on Friday scheduling, etc.

2002-01-19 Thread James M Galvin
On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote: If we were to get people to travel into the meeting on Saturday and then start the meeting on Sunday, and end on Thursday late afternoon (i.e. no Friday meetings), then most of us will only have to be away for one weekend. I have

Re: comments on Friday scheduling, etc.

2002-01-18 Thread Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC)
(at least for US-homed travellers) Can we please keep in mind that half the attendees are not from the US? My current IETF schedule is something like: * Fly on Saturday (10-15 hours, 6-9 hour time change), * Relatively quiet Sunday to recover, * Meetings Monday-Friday morning, * Catch a

Re: comments on Friday scheduling, etc.

2002-01-18 Thread Jon Crowcroft
some people don't live in the US but do have families 50% of us are flying out saturday to be there for sunday all day meetings, flying eastwards on friday, to get back mid day saturday, we lose 2 weekends. compare this to intra-US flite to and from, i don';t think esxtending friday is

Re: comments on Friday scheduling, etc.

2002-01-18 Thread Scott Brim
The IESG and IAB activities have become more important to the IETF at large recently. They should be given more space in line with their increased significance to the participants. Trying to cram it all into one after-dinner meeting doesn't feel right anymore. I believe in 2 plenaries. Having

Re: comments on Friday scheduling, etc.

2002-01-18 Thread Dave Crocker
At 10:02 AM 1/18/2002 -0500, Scott Brim wrote: Having one of them on Sunday doesn't work because it takes a couple days for the issues to become clear. IAB issues do not emerge over the course of a few days of IETF meeting. IESG issues, however, sometimes do. Combining the Social with the

Re: comments on Friday scheduling, etc.

2002-01-18 Thread Aaron Falk
--On Thursday, January 17, 2002 07:03:21 PM -0500 Ran Atkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doing something on Sunday might create more options. Quite separately, it was true in the past that IETF would have one or more morning plenary meetings (which could be attempted again). -

Re: comments on Friday scheduling, etc.

2002-01-18 Thread Randy Bush
I have a feeling we are going to have t think VERY hard about the entire schedule for the 54th meeting oin Yokohama given 80% of folks there wil be on severe sleep deprivation... i know the japanese are said to be workaholic. but will they be more tired than the 20% of us who fly? /

Re: comments on Friday scheduling, etc.

2002-01-18 Thread Dave Crocker
At 04:39 PM 1/18/2002 +, Jon Crowcroft wrote: I have a feeling we are going to have t think VERY hard about the entire schedule for the 54th meeting oin Yokohama given 80% of folks there wil be on severe sleep deprivation... From the western US, Europe is as good/bad as Japan for time

Re: comments on Friday scheduling, etc.

2002-01-18 Thread Dave Crocker
At 10:34 PM 1/18/2002 +, Lloyd Wood wrote: Including the decades of research into circadian rhythms and jetlag that you have somehow overlooked. The effect depends on the direction. not overlooked at all. actual reactions to direction show pretty wide variance between and within

RE: comments on Friday scheduling, etc.

2002-01-18 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
W.r.t. the claims about weekends being spoiled for those traveling in from different continents, I would observe that the way we schedule things now basically means that many of those travelers get 2 weekends (at least partially) taken away from their friends/families. If we were to get people

Re: comments on Friday scheduling, etc.

2002-01-17 Thread Ran Atkinson
On Thursday, January 17, 2002, at 02:04 , Jeffrey Altman wrote: I find that in order to get better airline rates I am forced to travel into town on Saturday. So I'm in town on Sunday ... So maybe doing more on Sunday would be a possibility. I believe that (at least for US-homed travellers)