Re: the end-to-end name problem

2003-07-03 Thread Zefram
S Woodside wrote: we must walk down to the 5th definition before we come to the one that is relevant. [2] 1. end -- (either extremity of something that has length; the end of the pier; she knotted the end of the thread; they rode to the end of the

Re: the end-to-end name problem

2003-07-03 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, jul 2, 2003, at 23:43 Europe/Amsterdam, S Woodside wrote: I think there's a problem with the name end-to-end. End is a word with a lot of definitions: for example wordnet [1] lists 14 senses for the noun end and 4 more for the verb. Indeed, we must walk down to the 5th definition

Re: the end-to-end name problem

2003-07-03 Thread Masataka Ohta
Simon; We all know what the end-to-end principle means. It's (reportedly) THE guiding principle of the IETF, and THE guiding principle of IETF design decisions. The problem I am trying to demonstrate with this dictionary analysis, is that average non-indoctrinated person needs to travel a

Re: the end-to-end name problem

2003-07-03 Thread grenville armitage
S Woodside wrote: [..] Novices, who know english but not the internet, may be confused. Forgive me for not thinking it insightful to observe that technical terminologies are often confusing to novices. This insight is hardly a compelling argument for gratuitous word substitutions.

Re: the end-to-end name problem

2003-07-03 Thread S Woodside
On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 05:26 AM, Zefram wrote: S Woodside wrote: we must walk down to the 5th definition before we come to the one that is relevant. [2] 1. end -- (either extremity of something that has length; the end of the pier; she knotted

Re: the end-to-end name problem

2003-07-03 Thread S Woodside
On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 01:54 AM, Einar Stefferud wrote: I expect we could safely say that TCP/IP is an End-to-End protocol pair, and though it is a critical part of the Internet, it is not The Internet. It isn't? Then what is the internet ? There are at least two other network arguments

Re: the end-to-end name problem

2003-07-03 Thread S Woodside
On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 06:11 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On woensdag, jul 2, 2003, at 23:43 Europe/Amsterdam, S Woodside wrote: I think there's a problem with the name end-to-end. End is a word with a lot of definitions: for example wordnet [1] lists 14 senses for the noun end

Re: the end-to-end name problem

2003-07-03 Thread J. Noel Chiappa
From: grenville armitage [EMAIL PROTECTED] a dictionary is hardly a compelling substitute for going direct to the paper(s) in which the end to end principle has been articulated. I couldn't agree with your suggestion more; were I Tsar of the Internet, I'd make it a rule to bind

Re: the end-to-end name problem

2003-07-03 Thread grenville armitage
S Woodside wrote: [..] That is, perhaps, a good thing, since I think that most naive people will THINK that they intuitively grasp what end-to-end means, but they are wrong. Most naive people are wrong about many things, but this is not an argument for making up new words to express

the end-to-end name problem

2003-07-02 Thread S Woodside
a problem with the name end-to-end. End is a word with a lot of definitions: for example wordnet [1] lists 14 senses for the noun end and 4 more for the verb. Indeed, we must walk down to the 5th definition before we come to the one that is relevant. [2] 1. end -- (either extremity of something

Re: the end-to-end name problem

2003-07-02 Thread Keith Moore
] We all know what the end-to-end principle means. well, you'd think so - but these days I hear it used to justify all kinds of things that have nothing to do with its original meaning. I think it's becoming a religion - something that is accepted without question, and usually, without