Re: Call for Comment: RFC 4693 experiment

2008-02-06 Thread Harald Alvestrand
Cullen Jennings skrev:

 I'd like to comment as an individual on one part of our process for
 doing IONs.

 The process for publishing them has many bottlenecks and delays and we
 need a better way of doing it. If we decide to continue with IONs, I
 will provide detailed comments on issues with how we are doing them.
 Overall I think we would need tools so that an ION author can put a
 new version, reviewers could easily see the diffs from the previous
 version, and when the document is approved by the approving body, it
 gets posted and does not require manual editing of the document after
 it was approved. 
one comment... the procedure as described in the ION RFC has exactly two
requirements:

- that one should be able to tell who approved it, and when
- that one should be able to tell the difference between a final
document and a draft.

I think we need to continue to have both of these properties.

There's no requirement that a process exist for handling them, or even
that it be consistent between IONs. The existing process is,
deliberately, unconstrained by the RFC.

I could argue that we might need fewer tools, not more; any tool you
create increases the number of tools one has to learn in order to get
one's job done. But that's part of what the experiment has been about.

  Harald

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Call for Comment: RFC 4693 experiment

2008-01-16 Thread The IESG
RFC 4693, Section 4 says:

 This experiment is expected to run for a period of 12 months,
 starting from the date of the first ION published using this
 mechanism. At the end of the period, the IESG should issue a
 call for comments from the community, asking for people to state
 their agreement to one of the following statements (or a
 suitable reformulation thereof):

According to http://www.ietf.org/IESG/content/ions/
the first ION was published 12-Jan-2007.  This means the experiment
ended last Saturday, and it's time for the IESG to issue the
call for comments.

Please tell us what you think about the experiment.  Have IONs been
valuable?  Should we continue to make use of this mechanism?

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