Re: [ietf-dkim] Output requirements

2011-05-07 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On 06/May/11 20:37, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: Verifiers SHOULD ignore those signatures that produce a PERMFAIL result (see Section 7.1), acting as though they were not present in the message. ... s/Verifiers SHOULD ignore/Identity assessors SHOULD ignore/ (and probably in other

Re: [ietf-dkim] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-08.txt

2011-05-07 Thread Barry Leiba
It would have been nice to get this *before* working group last call ended, or even before it started. Murray, use your judgment on how to handle these, and we can get other input on any that aren't straighforward. Barry, as chair On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Franck Martin

Re: [ietf-dkim] l= statistics was 23 again (sorry John) was Output

2011-05-07 Thread Barry Leiba
So if we wish to discourage l= useful, some of these text needs to be reworded, like this one in section 3.5 [...] I don't think the proposed text adds or clarifies anything that isn't already there.  The semantics and use of l= are pretty well defined already. I agree. Barry, as

Re: [ietf-dkim] l= statistics was 23 again (sorry John) was Output

2011-05-07 Thread Hector Santos
Barry Leiba wrote: So if we wish to discourage l= useful, some of these text needs to be reworded, like this one in section 3.5 [...] I don't think the proposed text adds or clarifies anything that isn't already there. �The semantics and use of l= are pretty well defined already. I

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-07 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On 06/May/11 21:09, John R. Levine wrote: this, but I need to get a clear view of consensus. Doug agrees with Hector's note, below, and Dave and Murray do not. I'd like to hear from others within the next few days, about whether you think we should make the change Hector requests or not.

Re: [ietf-dkim] l= statistics was 23 again (sorry John) was Output

2011-05-07 Thread Barry Leiba
We are spending an awful amount of time on this l= issue, whether it should be pulled, keep it and explaining how bad it is and discourage usage. Agreed. I would like to deprecate it. But we don't have consensus for going that far, and I think we're too late in the process to get ourselves

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-07 Thread Hector Santos
Alessandro Vesely wrote: On 06/May/11 21:09, John R. Levine wrote: this, but I need to get a clear view of consensus. Doug agrees with Hector's note, below, and Dave and Murray do not. I'd like to hear from others within the next few days, about whether you think we should make the change

Re: [ietf-dkim] l= statistics was 23 again (sorry John) was Output

2011-05-07 Thread Hector Santos
Volume tends to hide many important data points at the domain level. Many times its just 1-2 domains (and their implementation) that are showing how specs are being read/used. My view in reading this complex document, many parts has become sparse with its technical information. For the

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-07 Thread Steve Atkins
On May 6, 2011, at 12:09 PM, John R. Levine wrote: this, but I need to get a clear view of consensus. Doug agrees with Hector's note, below, and Dave and Murray do not. I'd like to hear from others within the next few days, about whether you think we should make the change Hector requests

[ietf-dkim] Duplicated jeaders - A common proposed change

2011-05-07 Thread Charles Lindsey
Issued in behalf of myself, Doug Otis and Rolf Sonneveld We were asked by Barry to provide an agreed text to resolve the multiple header problem, for consideration by the WG. The attack arises when some header (typically From:) which is supposed to appear once in fact appears twice. DKIM is

Re: [ietf-dkim] Duplicated jeaders - A common proposed change

2011-05-07 Thread Barry Leiba
Charles sent this message without noting that Doug had already done it. Please ignore this thread, and reply over on the other one. Barry, as chair On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Charles Lindsey c...@clerew.man.ac.uk wrote: Issued in behalf of myself, Doug Otis and Rolf Sonneveld We were

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-07 Thread Hector Santos
Barry Leiba wrote: We've had a bit of discussion in this thread (and elsewhere) about this, but I need to get a clear view of consensus. Doug agrees with Hector's note, below, and Dave and Murray do not. I'd like to hear from others within the next few days, about whether you think we

Re: [ietf-dkim] Ticket #17

2011-05-07 Thread SM
Hi Doug, At 18:43 26-04-2011, Douglas Otis wrote: Not validating input creates a bigger mess when used in conjunction with RFC5336bis. As such, it seems unfair for the DKIM WG operating within the Security area to close and then hand a mess over to the Applications area EAI WG. I thought that