Arriving late Sunday (10pm arrival scheduled) at Gatwick and going from there
to the Hilton Metropole. The transportation web page gives lots of hype about
how convenient the hotel is to just about everything, but precious little
detail. Would someone who knows this sort of thing recommend
Express and then a taxi from Victoria Station? (I'll have luggage, so the
underground isn't appealing.)
Sorry, I missd the luggage bit. Yes, you'll want to take a taxi from
Victoria.
Well, though this may not be a topic for this list, I also want to add my
2 eurocent here (:-) . First, I'm neither a MS hater nor a MS lover.
Actually this company is responsible for a lot of fun I had especially in
the last 12 months when I red their comments about open software and
especially
boring virus emails
i supose hacKinG does not include the 'to be B0Ring' package by default.
why do we still have virus messages on the mailing lisT?
freedom ends when it reachs the freedom of other - this limit can be the
reference to take some action or not. i think we should 'patch' this
At 14:35 31/07/2001, Keith Moore wrote:
Therefore I still say: this is NOT Microsofts fault
so what you are saying is that it's the job of the network to not
deliver any content to you that you don't want to see, and for the
network to somehow figure that out in advance, so that you're never
You realize, of course, that there is no way I am going to open an
attached Shortcut to MS-DOS Program (double dot file). I suspect a
viral infection.
Robert Shelton wrote:
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 10:16:53AM -0400, Fred Douglis wrote:
Since my mail to the list, I received quite a few private responses basically
confirming that the train to the taxi is reasonable (or taxi from the airport
at greater cost -- I may do this given the late arrival time, and a comment
In particular,
http://antivirus.about.com/library/weekly/aa071801a.htm?iam=dpileterms=%2BSirCam
Documents' folders is one of the most
accessible, whether from the desktop,
Windows Explorer, or the
How about the ones who have the problem doing a bit towards solving
THEIR problem?
You think there is one-and-only-one cause for everything? Perhaps you
didn't notice that the patch to repair the vulnerability that Red Code
exploits was released back in June?
Keith Moore wrote:
I
from the outside, it appears as if microsoft consciously decided to
distribute software with everything enabled so that their product
would be perceived as very easy to use. the problem is that this
means it is also easy to abuse. so the net is now paying for them
having a more salable product.
What is more important, figuring out who first exploited a vulnerability,
or preventing the vulnerability from being exploited?
The former is base quibbling, unsuited for thinking human beings.
But then again, the popularly (mayby even legally) elected President
of the U.S. is teaching a
On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:17:59 +0200, H. Szumovski (via secureshell) said:
.) Throw silently away mails containing the string [spam in the subject.
I've never actually seen a spam that has '[spam]' in the subject.
I save the RFC822 headers of mail I receive, and of the 4,652 headers
I have
At 11:45 AM 7/31/01 -0700, Ian King wrote:
BTW, internally our mail servers are configured to strip anything that
looks remotely like an executable. Sometimes this is a pain (I can't
mail a legitimate script to a colleague), but that's the world in which
we live - more openness means more
,
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It would be refreshing if someone stepped forward and
(bias indicator: i'm a microsoft basher; hate them, hate them!)
here's what i think...
when Ted said:
Personally, I'd say it's an embarassment to *Microsoft*. Let's
allocate blame where it properly belongs. They were the ones who made
the mail reader which made these sorts of viruses
All vendors do it, because no matter what customers say, they really do prefer
ease of use and fancy features to system security. If you try to sell a truly
secure system that is configured by default in a secure mode, nobody will buy
it. Any vendor that wants to stay in business, including
I completely agree with Ian.
Just to quote him back -
It's not as if Outlook or any other MUA
automatically launches these viruses - people who evidently live in a
complete vacuum and have never heard warnings about executable content,
blissfully double-click on the clearly-identified package,
people who evidently live in a complete vacuum and have never heard
warnings about executable content
oh you mean 98% of microsoft's customer base. yup, that's they. and ms
loves to sell to the naive.
randy
Hey,
I do not totally agree with Ian. I think Microsoft does not give enough
emphasis into security in their products. They do a hell of a job on
marketing their products and making them seem flashy and attractive, and
only if they put that much work on security. For example six patches were
Hi All,
Could anyone let me know , how do I remove myself from this mailing list ?
Ashutosh
Ashutosh Agarwal
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I trust I make myself obscure
Randy,
I do not mean to support MS neither am I blaming others.
What I'm trying to say and agree in Ian's mail is that - it's not that
software is automatically opening the Pandora's box. Additionally, it's
finally some of us who are trying to derive fun by creating such havoc. It's
some
it may come down to whether or not one believes in gun control. 99% of net
users are innocent children. should we ship guns that are loaded and with
the safeties off?
randy
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