Re: gatwick - hilton info?

2001-07-31 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Arriving late Sunday (10pm arrival scheduled) at Gatwick and going from there to the Hilton Metropole. The transportation web page gives lots of hype about how convenient the hotel is to just about everything, but precious little detail. Would someone who knows this sort of thing recommend

Re: gatwick - hilton info?

2001-07-31 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Express and then a taxi from Victoria Station? (I'll have luggage, so the underground isn't appealing.) Sorry, I missd the luggage bit. Yes, you'll want to take a taxi from Victoria.

Re: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread H. Szumovski (via secureshell)
Well, though this may not be a topic for this list, I also want to add my 2 eurocent here (:-) . First, I'm neither a MS hater nor a MS lover. Actually this company is responsible for a lot of fun I had especially in the last 12 months when I red their comments about open software and especially

RE: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread CARDOSO Jorge Miguel
boring virus emails i supose hacKinG does not include the 'to be B0Ring' package by default. why do we still have virus messages on the mailing lisT? freedom ends when it reachs the freedom of other - this limit can be the reference to take some action or not. i think we should 'patch' this

Re: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread H. Szumovski (via secureshell)
At 14:35 31/07/2001, Keith Moore wrote: Therefore I still say: this is NOT Microsofts fault so what you are saying is that it's the job of the network to not deliver any content to you that you don't want to see, and for the network to somehow figure that out in advance, so that you're never

Re: Production Feb 7

2001-07-31 Thread Meritt James
You realize, of course, that there is no way I am going to open an attached Shortcut to MS-DOS Program (double dot file). I suspect a viral infection. Robert Shelton wrote: Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain) Encoding: quoted-printable

Re: gatwick - hilton info?

2001-07-31 Thread Michael Mealling
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 10:16:53AM -0400, Fred Douglis wrote: Since my mail to the list, I received quite a few private responses basically confirming that the train to the taxi is reasonable (or taxi from the airport at greater cost -- I may do this given the late arrival time, and a comment

Re: Production Feb 7

2001-07-31 Thread Meritt James
In particular, http://antivirus.about.com/library/weekly/aa071801a.htm?iam=dpileterms=%2BSirCam Documents' folders is one of the most accessible, whether from the desktop, Windows Explorer, or the

Re: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread Meritt James
How about the ones who have the problem doing a bit towards solving THEIR problem? You think there is one-and-only-one cause for everything? Perhaps you didn't notice that the patch to repair the vulnerability that Red Code exploits was released back in June? Keith Moore wrote: I

RE: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread Randy Bush
from the outside, it appears as if microsoft consciously decided to distribute software with everything enabled so that their product would be perceived as very easy to use. the problem is that this means it is also easy to abuse. so the net is now paying for them having a more salable product.

multiple culpability (was: Any value in this list ?)

2001-07-31 Thread James P. Salsman
What is more important, figuring out who first exploited a vulnerability, or preventing the vulnerability from being exploited? The former is base quibbling, unsuited for thinking human beings. But then again, the popularly (mayby even legally) elected President of the U.S. is teaching a

Re: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:17:59 +0200, H. Szumovski (via secureshell) said: .) Throw silently away mails containing the string [spam in the subject. I've never actually seen a spam that has '[spam]' in the subject. I save the RFC822 headers of mail I receive, and of the 4,652 headers I have

RE: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread Melinda Shore
At 11:45 AM 7/31/01 -0700, Ian King wrote: BTW, internally our mail servers are configured to strip anything that looks remotely like an executable. Sometimes this is a pain (I can't mail a legitimate script to a colleague), but that's the world in which we live - more openness means more

Melinda, I'm impressed

2001-07-31 Thread Gene Gaines
, X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:19:58 -0400 To: Ian King [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Melinda Shore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Any value in this list ? Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - snip It would be refreshing if someone stepped forward and

Re: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread Greg Minshall
(bias indicator: i'm a microsoft basher; hate them, hate them!) here's what i think... when Ted said: Personally, I'd say it's an embarassment to *Microsoft*. Let's allocate blame where it properly belongs. They were the ones who made the mail reader which made these sorts of viruses

Re: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread Anthony Atkielski
All vendors do it, because no matter what customers say, they really do prefer ease of use and fancy features to system security. If you try to sell a truly secure system that is configured by default in a secure mode, nobody will buy it. Any vendor that wants to stay in business, including

Re: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread Venkateswar Reddy Melachervu
I completely agree with Ian. Just to quote him back - It's not as if Outlook or any other MUA automatically launches these viruses - people who evidently live in a complete vacuum and have never heard warnings about executable content, blissfully double-click on the clearly-identified package,

Re: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread Randy Bush
people who evidently live in a complete vacuum and have never heard warnings about executable content oh you mean 98% of microsoft's customer base. yup, that's they. and ms loves to sell to the naive. randy

RE: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread Samantha Naleendra Senaratna
Hey, I do not totally agree with Ian. I think Microsoft does not give enough emphasis into security in their products. They do a hell of a job on marketing their products and making them seem flashy and attractive, and only if they put that much work on security. For example six patches were

Removal from the list

2001-07-31 Thread Ashutosh Agarwal
Hi All, Could anyone let me know , how do I remove myself from this mailing list ? Ashutosh Ashutosh Agarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] I trust I make myself obscure

Re: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread Venkateswar Reddy Melachervu
Randy, I do not mean to support MS neither am I blaming others. What I'm trying to say and agree in Ian's mail is that - it's not that software is automatically opening the Pandora's box. Additionally, it's finally some of us who are trying to derive fun by creating such havoc. It's some

Re: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 Thread Randy Bush
it may come down to whether or not one believes in gun control. 99% of net users are innocent children. should we ship guns that are loaded and with the safeties off? randy