Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-11 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Hi Stephen, Please see inline. Cheers, Med -Message d'origine- De : Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie] Envoyé : vendredi 6 juin 2014 17:59 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed IMT/OLN; Ted Lemon Cc : Brian E Carpenter; ietf-privacy@ietf.org; int-a...@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Int-area]

Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-11 Thread Joe Touch
On 6/7/2014 6:20 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: Yes, source addresses leak information that affects privacy. But we do not have a practical way to mitigate that. So therefore BCP188 does not call for doing stupid stuff, nor for new laws of physics (unlike -04 of the draft we're discussing;-)

Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-11 Thread Dirk.von-Hugo
Dear all, I would like to confirm this: As already pointed out by Bruno in http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/int-area/current/msg03904.html there is the emergency call use case at ETSI and beside that there are application proposals within WGs SFC, TCPM, etc. beside other drafts which refer

Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-11 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Re-, Please see inline. Cheers, Med -Message d'origine- De : ietf-privacy [mailto:ietf-privacy-boun...@ietf.org] De la part de Stephen Farrell Envoyé : samedi 7 juin 2014 15:21 À : Dan Wing Cc : ietf-privacy@ietf.org; Internet Area; Joe Touch Objet : Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] NAT

Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-11 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 11/06/14 15:54, Joe Touch wrote: On 6/7/2014 6:20 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: Yes, source addresses leak information that affects privacy. But we do not have a practical way to mitigate that. So therefore BCP188 does not call for doing stupid stuff, nor for new laws of physics (unlike

Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-11 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 11/06/14 15:38, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Re-, Please see inline. Cheers, Med -Message d'origine- De : ietf-privacy [mailto:ietf-privacy-boun...@ietf.org] De la part de Stephen Farrell Envoyé : samedi 7 juin 2014 15:21 À : Dan Wing Cc :

Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-11 Thread Joe Touch
On 6/11/2014 8:09 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: On 11/06/14 15:54, Joe Touch wrote: On 6/7/2014 6:20 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: Yes, source addresses leak information that affects privacy. But we do not have a practical way to mitigate that. So therefore BCP188 does not call for doing

Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-11 Thread Brandon Williams
I agree entirely that defining host identification as a problem indicates that the authors believe a solution is called for. I also agree that the privacy impact of solution candidates must be discussed, including making a concerted effort to mitigate the possibility of those solution