Re: DNSSEC is NOT secure end to end

2009-06-01 Thread Joe Baptista
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. Keep the bridge - it's all yours. Remember - in order to sell the bridge you first have to own it. Your convenced you have something to sell. I am not. Totally

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP

2009-06-01 Thread Jari Arkko
I am bringing this draft to its second last call. After the completion of the headers and boilerplates document and extensive discussions within the IESG, it has become clear that several ADs had an issue with the 3932bis draft. I have asked Russ to post a new version which I believe resolves

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP

2009-06-01 Thread Jari Arkko
And to start off the comments, I wanted tell my personal opinion about this. First, I have not been extremely happy with either the hb or the 3932bis document, as some people who have been reading the various lists may gather. However, I think they were already good enough to be shipped

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP

2009-06-01 Thread Joel M. Halpern
The changes described in your other note (copied after your text to preserve context) are reasonable in the abstract. However, the devil is in the details. As I understand it, the reason for calling the extra note exceptional is that the IESG has in the past sometimes used that note to place

Re: DNSSEC is NOT secure end to end

2009-06-01 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 874c02a20906010608p3e7fbdd3wa31c9ea5452a7...@mail.gmail.com, Joe Baptista writes: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. Keep the bridge - it's all yours. Remember - in order to sell the

RE: [tcpm] Last Call: draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure (Improving TCP's Robustness to Blind In-Window Attacks) to Proposed Standard

2009-06-01 Thread Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
Fernando, I was modifying the document to update the last call comments and I would want to make sure if we are on same page w.r.t to your comments. Pl see inline. -Original Message- From: fernando.gont.netbook@gmail.com [mailto:fernando.gont.netbook@gmail.com] On Behalf

Fwd: [Unicode Announcement] New Public Review Issue #147: Proposed Deprecation of U+0673 ARABIC LETTER ALEF WITH WAVY HAMZA BELOW

2009-06-01 Thread Patrik Fältström
As the liaison from IETF to the Unicode Consortium, I would like to make the IETF community aware of the following opening for public comments. The character U+0673 ARABIC LETTER ALEF WITH WAVY HAMZA BELOW that the review is related to has today the derived property value PVALID in the

Re: DNSSEC is NOT secure end to end

2009-06-01 Thread Dave Cridland
As a disinterested third party... On Mon Jun 1 16:09:39 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: Totally different from DNSSEC which indeed uses chains of trust - i.e. root to tld to sld etc.etc. And DNSCurve uses chains of trust from root servers to tld servers to sld servers etc. etc.

Appropriate forum? (was: DNSSEC is NOT secure end to end)

2009-06-01 Thread Thierry Moreau
To the IETF mailing list subscribers: The US government involvement in DNSSEC operations is almost certainly not in-scope for the ietf mailing list. Thus, it would be counterproductive to start a discussion based on Mr. Baptista comments on this topic (hence no in-line comments in the

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP

2009-06-01 Thread Jari Arkko
Joel, However, the devil is in the details. As I understand it, the reason for calling the extra note exceptional is that the IESG has in the past sometimes used that note to place far more pejorative language than you suggest, in places that it really does not belong. That can turn a

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP

2009-06-01 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, June 01, 2009 18:30 +0300 Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: Joel, However, the devil is in the details. As I understand it, the reason for calling the extra note exceptional is that the IESG has in the past sometimes used that note to place far more pejorative

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP

2009-06-01 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, June 01, 2009 17:47 +0300 Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: I am bringing this draft to its second last call. After the completion of the headers and boilerplates document and extensive discussions within the IESG, it has become clear that several ADs had an issue with the

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP

2009-06-01 Thread Jari Arkko
John, The IAB and the RFC Editor have made updates to the formatting of the title page for all RFCs [N3]. With these changes, the upper left hand corner of the title page indicates the stream that produced the RFC. This label replaces some of the information that was previously provided in

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP

2009-06-01 Thread Russ Housley
The IAB and the RFC Editor have made updates to the formatting of the title page for all RFCs [N3]. With these changes, the upper left hand corner of the title page indicates the stream that produced the RFC. This label replaces some of the information that was previously provided in mandatory

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP

2009-06-01 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, June 01, 2009 21:47 +0300 Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: As written, this violates provisions of RFC 4846 as well as some of the language in the current RFC Editor Model draft. The IESG may _request_ that notes or other language be added. Indeed -- thanks for catching

Re: [Enum] Last Call: draft-ietf-enum-3761bis (The E.164 to Uniform Resource Identifiers (URI) Dynamic Delegation Discovery System (DDDS) Application (ENUM)) to Proposed Standard

2009-06-01 Thread Lawrence Conroy
Hi IESG members, folks, I'm one of the authors of the draft, so this is rather odd. But... as per request, I'm pushing this issue as a comment into the IETF LC/IESG review for draft rfc3761bis. This has an error that should be fixed and has caused confusion. draft rfc3761bis-04 inherits a lot

RFC Editor Services Bidders Conference

2009-06-01 Thread Ray Pelletier
The RFC Editor Services Bidders Conference will be June 3, 2009 from 10:00 AM to 1:00 PM PT (UTC-7). The conference will permit those considering the positions of RFC Series Editor, Independent Submissions Editor, or bidding on the RFC Production Center RFP to appear and ask questions of the

Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP

2009-06-01 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions ' draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis-07.txt as a BCP The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits

Document Action: 'DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Service Overview' to Informational RFC

2009-06-01 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Service Overview ' draft-ietf-dkim-overview-12.txt as an Informational RFC This document is the product of the Domain Keys Identified Mail Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Pasi Eronen and Tim

Document Action: 'Report from the IETF workshop on P2P Infrastructure, May 28, 2008' to Informational RFC

2009-06-01 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Report from the IETF workshop on P2P Infrastructure, May 28, 2008 ' draft-p2pi-cooper-workshop-report-01.txt as an Informational RFC This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact

Protocol Action: 'Quality of Service Parameters for Usage with Diameter' to Proposed Standard

2009-06-01 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Quality of Service Parameters for Usage with Diameter ' draft-ietf-dime-qos-parameters-11.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Dan