Gen-ART LC review of draft-ietf-repute-media-type-10

2013-08-30 Thread Peter Yee
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-ietf-repute-media-type-10 Reviewer:

Re: Mail lost yesterday

2013-08-30 Thread Jari Arkko
SM: I certainly agree that in incidents like this, a timely notification is in order. (Of course to the extent that the outage itself allows us to do that. Sometimes the outage or the queue that has built up during the outage delays sending a notification.) And we normally do send

Re: Mail lost yesterday

2013-08-30 Thread Mary Barnes
I will also add that when I requested it Steve sent me a list that indicated who sent what messages to the mailing lists that I moderate. That was really helpful as I could ping folks to resend and I was able to resend those that I had sent myself, so it wasn't too onerous to recover given that we

An IANA Registry for DNS TXT RDATA (I-D Action: draft-klensin-iana-txt-rr-registry-00.txt)

2013-08-30 Thread John C Klensin
Hi. Inspired by part of the SPF discussion but separate from it, Patrik, Andrew, and I discovered a shortage of registries for assorted DNS RDATA elements. We have posted a draft to establish one for TXT RDATA. If this requires significant discussion, we seek guidance from relevant ADs as to

Re: An IANA Registry for DNS TXT RDATA (I-D Action: draft-klensin-iana-txt-rr-registry-00.txt)

2013-08-30 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:35 AM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: Hi. Inspired by part of the SPF discussion but separate from it, Patrik, Andrew, and I discovered a shortage of registries for assorted DNS RDATA elements. We have posted a draft to establish one for TXT RDATA. If

Re: Mail lost yesterday

2013-08-30 Thread SM
Hi Jari, At 01:05 30-08-2013, Jari Arkko wrote: I certainly agree that in incidents like this, a timely notification is in order. (Of course to the extent that the outage itself allows us to do that. Sometimes the outage or the queue that has built up during the outage delays sending a

Re: An IANA Registry for DNS TXT RDATA (I-D Action: draft-klensin-iana-txt-rr-registry-00.txt)

2013-08-30 Thread Cyrus Daboo
Hi Phillip, --On August 30, 2013 at 10:16:46 AM -0400 Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: Service discovery requires prefixes. Here is a draft that works fine (except for the IETF review mistake). Just put IETF last call on it:

Re: An IANA Registry for DNS TXT RDATA (I-D Action: draft-klensin-iana-txt-rr-registry-00.txt)

2013-08-30 Thread Michelle Cotton
This is helpful feedback. We are looking at how the listing of the registries is used by the community. There have been suggestions of adding keywords to help when people search for registries. As the list of registries grows, we want to make sure it is useful and that registries can easily be

Re: An IANA Registry for DNS TXT RDATA (I-D Action: draft-klensin-iana-txt-rr-registry-00.txt)

2013-08-30 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, August 30, 2013 11:48 -0400 Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that draft was superseded by RFC6335 and all service names (SRV prefix labels) are now recorded at http://www.iana.org/** assignments/service-names-**port-numbers/service-names-**

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-30 Thread Dan Schlitt
I did not participate in the original working group that developed SPF. However I had a number of long phone conversations with one of the folks who was active in the group. A good part of those conversations involved the use of the TXT record. I objected to overloading that RR. In response

AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Tony Hansen
I have been selected as the Applications Area Directorate reviewer for this draft (for background on appsdir, please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/ApplicationsAreaDirectorate). Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Please

Re: An IANA Registry for DNS TXT RDATA (I-D Action: draft-klensin-iana-txt-rr-registry-00.txt)

2013-08-30 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Cyrus Daboo cy...@daboo.name wrote: Hi Phillip, --On August 30, 2013 at 10:16:46 AM -0400 Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: Service discovery requires prefixes. Here is a draft that works fine (except for the IETF review mistake). Just put

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-repute-query-http-09.txt (A Reputation Query Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-30 Thread Bob Braden
CR LF was first adopted for the Telnet NVT (Network Virtual Terminal). I think it was Jon Postel's choice, and no one disagreed. Then when FTP was defined, it seemed most economical to use the same. In fact, doesn't the FTP spec explicitly say that the conventions on the control connection

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-repute-query-http-09.txt (A Reputation Query Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-30 Thread Hector Santos
John, I don't think it would of been fun designing and testing a text-based hosting protocol manually with your terminal/telecommunication/telnet client New Line Mode (add LF to CR) option disabled or server text responses only issue CR or LF. It would of been very hard or confusing to do

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.comwrote: On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 02:37:13PM -0400, Hector Santos wrote: For example, DKIM-REPUTE product designers would need to consider SPF reputons product models. Simple text as follows can resolve the integration

Re: An IANA Registry for DNS TXT RDATA (I-D Action: draft-klensin-iana-txt-rr-registry-00.txt)

2013-08-30 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 30 aug 2013, at 21:35, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: The more prefixes versus more RRTYPES versus subtypes versus pushing some of these ideas into a different CLASS versus whatever else one can think of are also very interesting... and have nothing to do with whether this

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 02:37:13PM -0400, Hector Santos wrote: For example, DKIM-REPUTE product designers would need to consider SPF reputons product models. Simple text as follows can resolve the integration consideration with little SPF fanfare the draft obviously tried to avoid: Why

Re: An IANA Registry for DNS TXT RDATA (I-D Action: draft-klensin-iana-txt-rr-registry-00.txt)

2013-08-30 Thread John C Klensin
Hi. I'm going to comment very sparsely on responses to this draft, especially those that slide off into issues that seem basically irrelevant to the registry and the motivation for its creation. My primary reason is that I don't want to burden the IETF list with a back-and-forth exchange,

Re: Mail lost yesterday

2013-08-30 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 31/08/2013 02:26, SM wrote: ... The nit is why is the IETF still using PDT. I assure you that things were operationally much worse when the Secretariat was using EDT. Really - the service level has improved continuously over the last eight years. Of course things can always be better, and

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Hector Santos
On 8/30/2013 10:46 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: The document describes a model for reputation services, particularly those being produced by the Repute WG. It follows the recommendations of RFc4101 for describing a protocol model, which requires answers to 1) the problem the protocol is trying to

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Hector Santos
Hi Andrew, I think it can be generalized functional description without specifics. Designs based on REPUTE and its users of such products, will need some information. That may come (hopefully) from the REPUTE product designer. I am suggesting to remind such future REPUTE product designers of

Re: Mail lost yesterday

2013-08-30 Thread Yoav Nir
On Aug 30, 2013, at 5:26 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: The nit is why is the IETF still using PDT. Because we don't want to get into a religious war of GMT vs UTC.

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 03:39:14PM -0400, Hector Santos wrote: archives of the Repute WG to find or extract these very real and practical integration considerations. The document should have these general considerations summarized. But your suggestion was for protocol-specific advice. I

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-repute-query-http-09.txt (A Reputation Query Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-30 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, August 30, 2013 09:56 -0700 Bob Braden bra...@isi.edu wrote: CR LF was first adopted for the Telnet NVT (Network Virtual Terminal). I think it was Jon Postel's choice, and no one disagreed. A tad more complicated, IIR. It turns out that, with some systems interpreting LF as

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Hector Santos
On 8/30/2013 4:09 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 03:39:14PM -0400, Hector Santos wrote: archives of the Repute WG to find or extract these very real and practical integration considerations. The document should have these general considerations summarized. But your

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Tony Hansen
On 8/30/2013 2:37 PM, Hector Santos wrote: On 8/30/2013 10:46 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: The document describes a model for reputation services, particularly those being produced by the Repute WG. It follows the recommendations of RFc4101 for describing a protocol model, which requires answers to

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Douglas Otis
Dear Tony, Use of DKIM offers a very poor authentication example, since this draft makes the same errors made in RFC5863. It is wrong to suggest the DKIM protocol permits associating a validated identifier to a message as stated in the Introduction. This is the same erroneous conflation of a

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Hi Doug! On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 04:24:17PM -0700, Douglas Otis wrote: Use of DKIM offers a very poor authentication example Thanks for the feedback. I don't recall you having made this point on the repute mailing list. Did you, I missed it? Do you have a better example, specifically

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread S Moonesamy
Hello, After reading the reviews of the Application Area Directorate review it seems to me that there is some misunderstanding of what an Application Area Directorate review is about. The review is to give the Applications Area Directors a sense of how important it is that they pay

Re: WG Review: Dynamic Host Configuration (dhc)

2013-08-30 Thread S Moonesamy
Hello, At 09:53 30-08-2013, The IESG wrote: The Dynamic Host Configuration (dhc) working group in the Internet Area of the IETF is undergoing rechartering. The IESG has not made any [snip] Milestones: Done - WG Last Call on DHCP Options for Internet Storage Name Service

Re: [apps-discuss] AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Colleagues, and Doug especially, The message I sent (below) wasn't intended as a shut up and go away message, but a genuine query. I have grave doubts that TLS is the right example (to begin with, I think fitting it into the REPUTE approach, given the existing CA structure, would also be

Re: WG Review: Dynamic Host Configuration (dhc)

2013-08-30 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 30, 2013, at 9:17 PM, S Moonesamy sm+i...@elandsys.com wrote: Did the DHC working group read the milestones? I ask because it's been a few years since the year 2008 ended. Yes. The minutes have been updated in the datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dhc/charter/ I don't

Is the datatracker authoritative (was: WG Review: Dynamic Host Configuration (dhc))

2013-08-30 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Ted, At 19:59 30-08-2013, Ted Lemon wrote: Yes. The minutes have been updated in the datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dhc/charter/ Thanks. I don't know why this didn't show up in the announcement message. Actually, the I assumed that the message was generated by the

Re: Is the datatracker authoritative (was: WG Review: Dynamic Host Configuration (dhc))

2013-08-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 09:10:25PM -0700, S Moonesamy wrote: At 19:59 30-08-2013, Ted Lemon wrote: announcement really ought to just point to the datatracker, since what's there is normative. This is an individual opinion. Please assume that the entire IETF disagrees with it. The

WG Review: Dynamic Host Configuration (dhc)

2013-08-30 Thread The IESG
The Dynamic Host Configuration (dhc) working group in the Internet Area of the IETF is undergoing rechartering. The IESG has not made any determination yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing

Protocol Action: 'IANA Considerations and IETF Protocol and Documentation Usage for IEEE 802 Parameters' to Best Current Practice (draft-eastlake-rfc5342bis-05.txt)

2013-08-30 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'IANA Considerations and IETF Protocol and Documentation Usage for IEEE 802 Parameters' (draft-eastlake-rfc5342bis-05.txt) as Best Current Practice This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group.