Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-06 Thread Jari Arkko
The document talks about ways in which consensus processes can be successfully run in the IETF. After the last few rounds of versions, I believe this document is ready to move forward. My goal is to publish it as an Informational RFC. It is an explanation of principles and how they can be

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-06 Thread Melinda Shore
On 10/6/13 1:03 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: My goal is to publish it as an Informational RFC. It is an explanation of principles and how they can be applied to productively move IETF discussions forward. While there is no change to IETF processes or any presumption that guidance from this document

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-06 Thread Randy Bush
i have found it quite useful in venues other than the ietf. go for it. and thanks, pete. randy

Review of: draft-resnick-on-consensus-05

2013-10-06 Thread Dave Crocker
Review Title:On Consensus and Humming in the IETF draft-resnick-on-consensus-05 Reviewer: D. Crocker Reivew data: 6 Oct 2013 Summary: The draft discusses IETF processes for making group decisions, especially in the face of disagreement. As the draft notes,

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-06 Thread Scott Brim
+1. I've referred people to earlier versions already.

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-06 Thread Mark Nottingham
This is a VERY useful document, and I look forward to compelling my WG participants to read it, with a pop quiz afterwards. The only issue I see is its length; while dedicated IETFers won't have a problem reading such a lengthy document, the people who could benefit most - new, potential or

Re: Review of: draft-resnick-on-consensus-05

2013-10-06 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 07/10/2013, at 11:03 AM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: Now, a conclusion of having only rough consensus relies heavily on the good judgement of the consensus caller. The group must truly consider and weigh an issue before the objection can be dismissed as being in the

Re: Review of: draft-resnick-on-consensus-05

2013-10-06 Thread Melinda Shore
On 10/6/13 4:34 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: On 07/10/2013, at 11:03 AM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: 1. in a natural state; without decoration or other treatment. a diamond in the rough 2. in difficulties. even before the recession hit, the project was in the rough I think he's

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-06 Thread Pete Resnick
On 10/6/13 7:30 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: This is a VERY useful document, and I look forward to compelling my WG participants to read it, with a pop quiz afterwards. I've been exceedingly satisfied to hear this sort of thing from you and the other folks who posted and talked to me about