Re: IETF Cheerleaders?

2004-11-11 Thread Lou Berger
see http://www.fightforchildren.org/events_2_1.asp At 03:57 PM 11/11/2004, William Gilliam wrote: OK, I'll ask. Who convinced the Washington Redskins Cheerleaders to show up during today's afternoon break? C'mon, raise your hand. WG ___ Ietf mailing

Re: XML2RFC must die, was: Re: Two different threads - IETF Document Format

2009-07-06 Thread Lou Berger
I *strongly* support please don't ever *mandate* it [XML2RFC]. Although, I'm perfectly happy using the obscure syntax of nroff (when combined with a set of macros I received from George Swallow about 10-12 years ago). I produced a couple of drafts using xml and decided that nroff was much easier

Hiroshima room rates (was Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?)

2009-09-03 Thread Lou Berger
Out of curiosity, why is the IETF rate ~2000Y higher than their standard internet room rate (try to book next week to get an example rate, and see Best Flexible Rate w/ Breakfast)? Thanks, Lou On 9/1/2009 2:00 PM, Alexa Morris wrote: 60% of our room block is considered non smoking but, as our

Re: Hiroshima room rates (was Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?)

2009-09-04 Thread Lou Berger
Yes. I checked Sept 14-18. Try it yourself, I expect you'll get the same results... Lou On 9/4/2009 7:32 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: Lou, Does that online rate you saw include in-room Internet, service charges, and taxes? Those are included in the IETF rate. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Sep

Re: Above market hotel room rates

2010-03-23 Thread Lou Berger
I asked Ray about this problem in Hiroshima, his response was something along the lines of conference rates are different and more complicated from regular hotel rates. I have to say, I really think the community deserves a detailed response on this topic from the secretariat... Lou On

Re: Above market hotel room rates

2010-03-24 Thread Lou Berger
-- From: Lou Berger Sender: ietf-boun...@ietf.org To: Samuel Weiler Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Above market hotel room rates Sent: Mar 23, 2010 7:36 PM I asked Ray about this problem in Hiroshima, his response was something along the lines of conference rates are different and more

Re: Above market hotel room rates

2010-03-24 Thread Lou Berger
, Donald Eastlake wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Lou Berger lber...@labn.net mailto:lber...@labn.net wrote: I asked Ray about this problem in Hiroshima, his response was something along the lines of conference rates are different and more complicated from regular hotel

Re: Above market hotel room rates

2010-03-24 Thread Lou Berger
FWIW My rate in Hiroshima was both lower than the IETF rate and included breakfast. I asked at check in if the IETF rate included anything not included in my cheaper rate, and was told no by the hotel staff. Lou On 3/24/2010 8:23 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: Another factor is that the going IETF

Re: Above market hotel room rates

2010-03-24 Thread Lou Berger
24 17:25:41 2010, Lou Berger wrote: FWIW My rate in Hiroshima was both lower than the IETF rate and included breakfast. I asked at check in if the IETF rate included anything not included in my cheaper rate, and was told no by the hotel staff. Maybe it includes a warm fuzzy feeling

Re: [79all] IETF Badge

2010-11-14 Thread Lou Berger
On 11/12/2010 08:21 PM, Xiangsong Cui wrote: As to IETF registration and badge, I would like to suggest (maybe this is crazy), IETF should design another type participant, I mean Guest Participant, they are free and more limited than one day pass. For example, the Guest Participant can only

Re: [79all] IETF Badge

2010-11-15 Thread Lou Berger
Xiangsong, I suspect you may have misunderstood me. I'm endorsing the old practice of letting in (to meetings) any who wish *without* payment or badge. Sure they won't be able to go into the terminal room, but that isn't a significant issue. Them eating the snacks could possibly turn into

Re: [79all] IETF Badge

2010-11-15 Thread Lou Berger
: On Mon, 15 Nov 2010, Lou Berger wrote: Xiangsong, I suspect you may have misunderstood me. I'm endorsing the old practice of letting in (to meetings) any who wish *without* payment or badge. Sure they won't be able to go into the terminal room, but that isn't a significant issue. Them

Re: [79all] IETF Badge

2010-11-15 Thread Lou Berger
/ipj On Mon, 15 Nov 2010, Lou Berger wrote: Humm, seeing that's what we just had, I'm not sure where you're coming from. BTW I don't think there was any real surprise in this, and it doesn't diminish from our local hosts' fabulous job. I thank them for their efforts and hospitality. Lou On 11

Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't exorbitant?

2011-06-21 Thread Lou Berger
I agree with Thomas, the meeting fees should cover the meetings and the hotel bill should cover only an individual's room. This would be more transparent! Please feel free to take this as criticism (of the current fee distribution policy). Lou On 6/21/2011 1:31 AM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote:

Re: Why the IESG needs to review everything...

2011-07-28 Thread Lou Berger
+1 On 7/28/2011 11:22 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: ... While not all ADs read all drafts, most read a large fraction of them (and read them carefully and thoughtfully enough to catch a number of large issues (and nits) *that were not caught in LC*) -- I think that they deserve recognition for

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-25 Thread Lou Berger
Ole, In the (somewhat far) past, my memory was that the IETF rate was *less* then the normal available rate. This trend to higher rates is something I only remember seeing over the last 5 or so years. Perhaps my memory is just flawed, as I haven't done the work to verify this, but I

Re: Forthcoming draft: draft-farrresnickel-ipr-sanctions

2012-01-27 Thread Lou Berger
I agree there are many gray area cases that I think it would be best to shy away from over specifying. But what do we do when there is a bright line violation of RFC3979? IMO I think we should have consensus on a very small set of repercussions for blatant violations of RFC3979. Even if the

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-ccamp-rfc5787bis-05.txt

2012-08-22 Thread Lou Berger
Stephen, To add to what Adrian said, the 1:1 mapping is only for node identifiers, interface identifiers have no such restriction. I think it's reasonable to add some informative text to the draft on this point as it may help avoid such confusion in the future. Lou On 8/22/2012 1:01 PM,

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-ext-04

2012-08-30 Thread Lou Berger
Peter, Thank you for the comments. Please see below for responses in-line. On 8/29/2012 11:31 PM, Peter Yee wrote: I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq Document:

Fwd: Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-ext-04

2012-08-30 Thread Lou Berger
Adrian, Shout (or change the ID state) when you're ready for the update to be submitted. Thanks, Lou Original Message Subject:Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-ext-04 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:25:19 -0400 From: Lou Berger lber...@labn.net

Re: Fwd: Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-ext-04

2012-08-30 Thread Lou Berger
Eek, I somehow managed to broadcast this! My apologies. Lou On 8/30/2012 10:27 AM, Lou Berger wrote: Adrian, Shout (or change the ID state) when you're ready for the update to be submitted. Thanks, Lou Original Message Subject:Re: Gen-ART review of draft

Re: Last Call: draft-kumaki-murai-l3vpn-rsvp-te-06.txt (Support for RSVP-TE in L3VPNs) to Experimental RFC

2012-10-22 Thread Lou Berger
Hello, I made this comment privately during the LC period. I don't mind sharing it more widely: My high-order take away is that it seems to me that this draft runs counter to hierarchy-based solutions that can solve this problem just fine without any additional RSVP modifications. I

Re: Last Call: draft-kumaki-murai-l3vpn-rsvp-te-06.txt (Supportfor RSVP-TE in L3VPNs) to Experimental RFC

2012-10-23 Thread Lou Berger
Peng, Thanks for the quick response! Please see in line below. On 10/22/2012 9:39 PM, Peng JIANG wrote: Hello Lou, As to the technical details, the next hop as identified by the Path message in the VPN context, will have a route and associated label within the VPN context. This

Re: I'm struggling with 2219 language again

2013-01-04 Thread Lou Berger
On 1/4/2013 12:15 AM, Dean Willis wrote: ... Are we deliberately evolving our language to use RFC 2119 terms as the principle verbs of a formal specification language? ... My view on this has evolved over time. I used to follow the practice of using 2219 language only for emphasis. Over

Re: 答复: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-behavior-negotiation-10

2013-02-05 Thread Lou Berger
Dan/Richard, On 2/4/2013 10:05 PM, Lidan (Dan) wrote: Hi Richard, Thanks for the review of this draft! Section 2.1. Would be helpful to either include the old formats and/or say explicitly what is changing. Added the original format of Config, ConfigAck and ConfigNack

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-behavior-negotiation-10

2013-02-05 Thread Lou Berger
Richard, Thank you for the review. I have one additional question/response on your comments: On 2/3/2013 2:13 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please

Re: Mentoring

2013-03-14 Thread Lou Berger
I think such a list is a great idea. Perhaps it would be good to have this available as a 'safe place' for any (newbie, twobie or whatever) to ask questions, and just call it a 'mentors' list... Lou On March 14, 2013 9:13:15 AM Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: On 3/14/2013 8:49 AM,

Re: raw meeting minutes (Re: meetecho praise)

2013-03-18 Thread Lou Berger
Etherpad is an awesome tool and we've found out to be hugely useful over a number of IETFs, but be forewarned that on a couple of rare occasions the notes have disappeared. In the first case, it took a manual step for it to be restored. In the second we had a private copy... Lou On March

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-12 Thread Lou Berger
On April 12, 2013 2:33:13 PM Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/12/2013 10:12 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: I still think that the IETF community at large has no intentional diversity bias, so the process of discussing and analyzing diversity in the context of leadership is to

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-13 Thread Lou Berger
PM, Lou Berger wrote: No argument from me, I'm just asking that a comment/position/question that I don't understand be substantiated. And I'm telling you that I think the numbers are highly suggestive of bias. We can take a swing at getting a very rough handle on that but I'm actually

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-13 Thread Lou Berger
On April 13, 2013 12:57:09 PM Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/13/13 4:09 AM, Lou Berger wrote: Do you disagree, are you saying that the IETF should only/first try to address only gender bias? Clearly not, Lou. Great. Glad to hear we agree. That said, some may prefer

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-29 Thread Lou Berger
Did anyone notice the NPR piece this AM? http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/04/29/178810467/blazing-the-trail-for-female-programmers Perhaps it's time for an IETF equivalent/chapter of http://railsbridge.org/, http://blackfounders.com/, http://wisecampaign.org.uk/, etc. ... Lou On

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-24 Thread Lou Berger
For Americans, is it much more expensive than a trip to Prague? I just happen to be looking at flights for berlin at the moment. BA is pretty much the same +-$1600 if I'm willing to take an extra hop, closer to $2K for one hop. I generally find going to Europe in the summer to be pretty

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

2013-05-28 Thread Lou Berger
On 5/28/2013 10:52 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: ... The only requirement is that the chairs conclude that the existence such a draft has WG consensus. ... Strictly speaking, I believe the only requirement for a document to be published as a WG document is that a WG chair approves it. I do

Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-02 Thread Lou Berger
+1. On August 2, 2013 1:13:05 PM Scott Brim scott.b...@gmail.com wrote: I'm completely against participating anonymously because of IPR issues. I'm mostly against pseudonymous participation for the same reason. I need to be able to know who I'm dealing with, in order to know if there are

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-07 Thread Lou Berger
Hi, I definitely agree that this is a really useful document. Lots of good background and general considerations. But I think it misses two important points that should be addressed prior to publication: 1) The role WG/IETF mailing lists play in building and gauging consensus The draft

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-11 Thread Lou Berger
Pete, On 10/10/2013 11:08 PM, Pete Resnick wrote: On 10/7/13 7:48 AM, Lou Berger wrote: I think it misses two important points that should be addressed prior to publication: 1) The role WG/IETF mailing lists play in building and gauging consensus Yeah, as I just replied