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Hello folks,
Could we drop this subject? I don't see how it relates to IETF, and there
are people who care neither about Microsoft nor .NET.
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if not that, if you gave them your workstations MAC address, you
could change your router's MAC address to that and select some random one
for your workstation...
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sheets are used for anyway?
I don't think _anyone_ is typing any emails on the lists.
Rather, I'd guess the secretariat is only interested in seeing how many
people attended, so gauge how to make room reservations at the next
meetings etc.
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Pekka Savola wrote:
Has it been said what those blue sheets are used for anyway?
I don't think _anyone_ is typing any emails on the lists.
Rather, I'd guess the secretariat is only interested in seeing how many
people attended, so gauge how to make room reservations
and remaining time, I think); it's all
too easy to start endless debates (over and over again) that take the time
from something more important.
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.
If you want a focused view, participation isn't necessary. (An IMO stupid
remnant here is that you have to present the works if they're to be
adopted as WG items.) If you want a general view (perhaps in addition to
the focused one), coming to the meetings might help.
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On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:47:52 +0200, Pekka Savola said:
What most people seem to be missing is the real work is done outside of
the WG meetings. You can quite well participate in the IETF process
Did you mean the hallways, or the mailing
a
single case in a few WG's I'm participating that an unpresented work would
have been adopted.. sure, it's not written down anywhere, but sometimes
custom is stronger than law...
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mention ip6 :-)
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spamming an IETF list.
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that way based on a
draft/RFC: email address will work, and if not, it will be more or less
trivial to find another address that does work. And if a new email
address couldn't be found, one probably don't want to be contacted about
the issue anyway.
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progress (and those of their competitors) with patents that they never
intend to go to standards. But we can't avoid that anyway.
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On Fri, 31 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2002 08:40:17 +0300, Pekka Savola said:
A bad thing IETF could do (but not the worst luckily :-) is to give a
signal Ok.. feel free to patent and give RAND licensing.. depending how
good it is, we might give it a standards
and certificates, be quiet).
Or at least that was how I remember how it went.
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Just a note..
It's interesting how long a thread a troll managed create with his little
flamebait :-)
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that the author will be aware of the policy wrt.
his drafts.
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in the IETF?
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recipient, please contact
the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard
is appreciated.
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Bill Cunningham wrote:
Bill Cunningham should be added to the list of trolls (just below Mr.
Fleming).
!#@?
Check out RFC3005. I believe your postings often infringe items 2) or 3)
of the inappropriate postings list.
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:).
The approach looks suitable if one is relatively passive on the mailing
lists.
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From: The IESG [EMAIL
On 8 Nov 2002, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
Pekka Savola [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Seriously, couldn't we cut this crap?
At least when I go to the meetings, I can conveniently toss the Note Well
statement away, I really don't want to read it N times for every IETF m-l
I subscribe
this can be treated
as reliable.
Do you have independent estimates or some rough data?
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fine for me, much better than
requiring to subscribe or do something else.
It's not black and white.
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Hi,
Is it just me, or have RFC's been popping out lately like mushrooms in an
autumn?
Something seems to be working.. :-)
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what it wants.
Note: I'm making an assumption that having an IETF in a hotel is good
business for the hotel, an offer it couldn't refuse.
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times when bandwidth was scarce..
Perhaps that's why multicast never really kicked off..
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4) will not use it
5) something else
What's the intent (of course, the final could change..)? My guess would
be somewhere between 2)-3).
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to diffserv, I believe, of course.
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
802.11A and B will be available to the users on Sunday, March 16th at 1600 PST.
Ouch. I had hoped for it to be available earlier, but I guess that can't
be helped.
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by 500$ for US based IETF
attenders as they have the capability to pay more due to lower travel
costs :-).
The closer the more it should cost!
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, RFC
2606, June 1999.
== hopefully this isn't the reference practise, should be s/E.
Panitz/Panitz, E./, right? This seems to be happening a lot with the last
of multiauthor lists, so I'm fearing a bug in the tools.
== same also applies to a few other refs
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be willing (to have my company :-) pay that; all in all,
it's *much* more convenient than to go eat breakfast, go elsewhere looking
for cookies, soda and stuff.
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Just FYI..
It's nice to see that IPv6 is working nicely but v4 is not :-)
(DHCP servers are probably dying quite frequently..)
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= 589.174/678.001/1109.953/117.776 ms
IPv4: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 8.346/48.524/130.290/37.593 ms
See note to ietf list from yesterday that IPv6 routes all go to Europe
before going anywhere else. :(
Better so than going to Japan first as the last time ;-)
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Scott W Brim wrote:
On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 01:28:34PM +0200, Pekka Savola allegedly wrote:
So, with the estimate of 1500 people per session, that makes 76$/IETF for
food and stuff.
15$/day, not too bad, IMO.
That's about what most people would spend on breakfast
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Pekka Savola wrote:
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, The IESG wrote:
The IESG has received a request to consider Instructions to Request for
Comments (RFC) Authors draft-rfc-editor-rfc2223bis-04.txt as a BCP.
This has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF
Eastlake, D., and Panitz, E.
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have spelling/grammar mistakes or fail ID-nits?
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to be happening --
now we'd just get the cash in.
But then again, we need more silent participants anyway, according to the
slides.
I wonder if this would be a bug or feature.
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suspect we can find a reasonable set of mechanisms and prices.
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aren't bound to
miswriting the last author.
However, I'd strongly suggest adding some small amount of text to
rationalize the editorial style, to avoid a thread like this occurring
when people wonder whether the style is correct or not.
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, John A. Loughney wrote:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 06:58:32AM +0200, Pekka Savola allegedly wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
[...] However, I think doing some ISOC/IETF joint
tutorials just before an IETF is definitely worth a try.
That would
, of course...
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: the IETF needs the money more than my
company, I've gathered.
If the difference would be like 100-200 dollars, or whatnot, would people
bother? Without company in the nametag, it would be for all to see, too.
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Tony Hain wrote:
Pekka Savola wrote:
Who said the addresses are *completely* revokated when the network
connectivity is intermittent?
More likely than not, those address advertisements have a
lifetime longer than the duration of the downtime (both
preferred
* unallocated address ranges a good
idea to try reduce DoS attacks which forge addresses and the like.
An incredibly bad idea if you don't maintain them properly, really..
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circuit.
We may have to work on the point-to-point L2 VPN case, but I'd like to see
alternative approaches to this.
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to fix that
problem, not burrow even further down the ISO layers.
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On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, grenville armitage wrote:
Pekka Savola wrote:
[..]
Moreover, we work on an IP layer. We enable IP layer to be able to handle
our tasks. If there is some problem why we cannot just use different IP
subnets between the two (or multiple) end-points, we need to fix
it is reasonable to assume that in most cases it
is.
Also, remember where the I in IETF comes from. That's what our main focus
should be at.
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in a hotel, is it open for IETF'ers e.g. on Saturday
already)
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Pekka Savola wrote:
As a lot of folks are coming to IETF57 early, it would be interesting to
know when:
- the WLAN network is estimated to be operational
- when/whether it is possible to come to the conf. center
(i.e. as it isn't in a hotel, is it open for IETF'ers e.g
scope global dynamic
valid_lft 2591989sec preferred_lft 604789sec
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, it
might be slightly easier to secure. With 6to4 relay routers, the
statelessness is the thing which is simultaneously the bug and the
feature.
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with an existing specification...
you forgot writing a requirements and a framework document! ;-)
runs
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to the rest of the participants.
[...]
Would that imply that the vendors who create systems which automatically
downgrade the settings from managed to ad-hoc should be made to pay 50x ?
:-)
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Spencer Dawkins wrote:
(drumming is a healing thing, in many cultures)
Isn't it after the plenary when we'll need the healing?
;-)
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of security to boot.
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On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The 61st IETF meeting will be held over the dates of November 7-12, 2004.
The location has not been finalized.
How about Minneapolis!
At least there's a Subway nearby, and no need (or even desire) to go
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on the IETF software leaves me
with no easy choice.
I don't- IMHO it's stupid to waste the precious bits in the subject
line to say [ietf] because there is no need for such. The messages
can be filtered better using other thods as well, and humans can look
at the headers..
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of spam on IETF lists is because it's sent
to the list administrators, and they filter it by hand.
The chief beneficiaries of automatic spam detection and deletion in the
current IETF setup is the list administrators.
.. which do not/cannot use SpamAssassin to filter the bounces(?)
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, not replacing IPv4 with IPv6.
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Pekka Savola wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, J. Noel Chiappa wrote:
The upgrade path (replace the entire internet layer in one fell swoop) IPv6
adopted clearly isn't working. Time to try something rather different.
Exactly. As we have been saying for years not, we must
don't make sense anyway.
However, the transition mechanisms that have been deployed seem to be
good enough to enable dual-stack deployments.
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in a
hurry.
Comments welcome - but don't expect a quick response from me; I'll be
(mostly) off the net next week
Harald
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Hi,
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Fred Baker wrote:
At 04:26 AM 1/17/2004, Pekka Savola wrote:
The purpose of the IETF is to create high quality, relevant, and
timely standards for the Internet.
I think I would state it in these words:
The Internet Engineering Task Force provides a forum
interpretation
(e.g., anything regarding network deployment, including giving advice)
as well -- and the terms used are chosen such that the reader does not
know which one is correct. This creates confusion.
Pekka Savola wrote:
[..]
- These are so overly broad statements that they're close
the people interested in a subject. Not sure
if that would help significantly though..
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Someone's Windows box with lladdr fe80::204:23ff:fe7a:fb3e
(2002:da25:e0b0::da25:e0b0) is advertising has gotten too smart, and
is advertising the default route on the IETF59 WLAN.
Stop immediately.
(Perhaps misbehaving hosts should get MAC address blacklisted for a
while..?)
is an overview of the cur-
rent status of reachability, a decomposition of the problem and a
proposal for going forward.
A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-shore-nat-reachability-00.txt
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Registration for the 60th IETF Meeting is now open.
You can register on line at:
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excellent write-up:
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/opinions/ipv6/dubious-assumptions.html
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outside of the US) or for a direct international
flight.
Any experiences? Is 1.5 or 2 hours (for example) enough at SD?
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which the router is
listening), or just keep it as is for now. RSVP can probably thrown
away without many tears.
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requesting these capabilities is supported in the
network, instead of spewing a considerable amount of in-band
signalling attempts to the network.
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for networks and operators.
All of this is spoken with an operator (an NREN) hat on, if it
matters.
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in the wall..
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discussions.
I wasn't referring to 3GPP operators ;-) (who are probably interested
in this for the first hop purposes, or for the first+last hop
purposes, where other methods might work nicely as well)
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some of it during the last 10? We haven't -- maybe there is a reason
for it (and the prime reason is IMHO not the protocol used with that
model).
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of
telecom/research QoS people, end-to-end signalling for reservations.
There's also smaller amount of economical/operational aspects to worry
about, as there are clearer areas of applicability and use for 1st
hop/predetermined constrained hops case.
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
On 26-aug-04, at 8:13, Pekka Savola wrote:
But what
I'm really worried about is that IP router alert -like options are
options which a hardware implementation cannot process. An attacker
can just specify an undefined router alert option
bothered to contact all of them to get the information you don't
want to keep on record be removed?
Sounds like some might want to rather use web pages to convey some of
the ideas than Internet-Drafts.
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to whether the NAT traversal
mechanism described in draft-huitema-v6ops-teredo-xx is sufficient to
traverse the NATs, and whether the support for something like Teredo
is expected to be sufficiently commonplace to depend on it.
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connectivity solution(s),
we wouldn't have to try to figure out how to make NATs behave better,
how to build robust applications to work with these nicely or badly
behaving NATs, etc.
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must be
removed after a timeout.
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Pekka Savola [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hmm.. Being an OSS/FSF enthusiast myself, I'm not sure if the last
requirement, about code re-use, is a strict requirement. Sure, it
would be nice if there wasn't such a thing, but it would seem to be
better
, no matter the category of
the ultimate document.
There is nothing in RFC 3668 to restrict disclosures to only standards
track. And you definitely have to disclose immediately (as soon as
reasonably possible).
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text and pointers to
such work. (Obviously with disclaimers.)
This might help in helping the IETF participants more easily evaluate
the tradeoffs of the technology. Today we see just the ipr disclosure
form; that gives a rather sad view of the situation.
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Randy Presuhn wrote:
From: Pekka Savola [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Paul Hoffman / VPNC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Shuffle those deck chairs!
...
Hmm. Maybe what the IETF could also find useful
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.
Until these debates clear off, do not cross-post anything to v6ops
which is also posted to the IETF list!
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is reasonably good. To be fair, this is not the
right place to blame for this inoptimal routing.
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, AFAICS. 1518/1519 are full of address assignment etc.
details which were out of date or inappropriate for a standards track
document already 5 years ago. There's very small amount of useful
information to salvage from those.
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reference the other documents.
I think I agree with you that we cannot just recycle 1517 (or any
other CIDR document) to DS, it'll require some polishing.
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